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LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

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Pippen is a poor man's Grant Hill and Grant Hill is a poor man's LeBron James.

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LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

Big difference.
LeBron never walked out on his teammates for a critical 1.8 seconds like Pippen did.

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Why is this posted here? Let me guess. Spiegel and Goff were calling Scottie a dumb ass for saying such things?


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LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

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LeBron never walked out on his teammates for a critical 1.8 seconds like Pippen did.


That's correct, he actually quit on his team for an entire playoff series.

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SteveSarley wrote:
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LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

Big difference.
LeBron never walked out on his teammates for a critical 1.8 seconds like Pippen did.


Yup. He walked out for four years because he wasn't good enough to stay the course.

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SteveSarley wrote:
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LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

Big difference.
LeBron never walked out on his teammates for a critical 1.8 seconds like Pippen did.



Check out Game 5 of the 2010 Eastern semis against Boston.

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LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

Big difference.
LeBron never walked out on his teammates for a critical 1.8 seconds like Pippen did.


That's correct, he actually quit on his team for an entire playoff series.

+1 LeBron


Then he quit on his hometown.

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SteveSarley wrote:
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LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

Big difference.
LeBron never walked out on his teammates for a critical 1.8 seconds like Pippen did.


LeBron changed the play this year when Blatt called someone else number.

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SteveSarley wrote:
Nas wrote:
LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

Big difference.
LeBron never walked out on his teammates for a critical 1.8 seconds like Pippen did.


Didn't he sit out for 2-3 weeks this season to pout and then complained that he was "gassed" in the playoffs?


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SteveSarley wrote:
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LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

Big difference.
LeBron never walked out on his teammates for a critical 1.8 seconds like Pippen did.

I'll take it back.
They are both puds!

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SteveSarley wrote:
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Nas wrote:
LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

Big difference.
LeBron never walked out on his teammates for a critical 1.8 seconds like Pippen did.

I'll take it back.
They are both puds!


More proof that they are very similar

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Nas wrote:
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SteveSarley wrote:
Nas wrote:
LeBron is a better scoring version of Scottie. I've been saying this for a while. LeBron makes everyone around him better just like Scottie did. They're both unselfish players that other players love playing with. They could effectively guard every position on the court. Neither are natural scorers.

Big difference.
LeBron never walked out on his teammates for a critical 1.8 seconds like Pippen did.

I'll take it back.
They are both puds!


More proof that they are very similar



Which in turn, highlights even more the singular greatness of Jordan as a player.

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I think Jordan needed Scottie too. Scottie was the guy everyone liked and he was very unselfish. He made the job MJ had to do easier.

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Bulls fan Argument #1: Jordan was the greatest because he had no help.

Bulls fan Argument #2: Scottie and Dennis are among the 50 best players ever.

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Bulls fan #1 is wrong.

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Bulls fan #1 is wrong.



My point is that the same fan often makes both arguments in different conversations.

The closest Jordan ever came to carrying a bum team the way LeBron has was when he dropped that 63 on a great, great Celtics team. And still the Bulls went out in the first round.

That gets us into some more cognitive dissonance:

Argument #1: Jordan had tougher competition than LeBron.

Argument #2: Players are bigger, faster, and better than ever.

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Both arguments are right. The game was more competitive then and the rules made it tougher.

Edit: They aren't better than ever.

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Chris Bosh and Wade are better supporting stars than Pippen and Grant/Rodman. The east has been atrocious for most of the last 15 years or so, which happens to coincide with LeBron's career.

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Chris Bosh and Wade are better supporting stars than Pippen and Grant/Rodman. The east has been atrocious for most of the last 15 years or so, which happens to coincide with LeBron's career.


I don't agree. Scottie was better than Wade unless we are focusing on scoring.

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Chris Bosh and Wade are better supporting stars than Pippen and Grant/Rodman. The east has been atrocious for most of the last 15 years or so, which happens to coincide with LeBron's career.


I don't agree. Scottie was better than Wade unless we are focusing on scoring.


I wouldn't say Scottie was better than Wade, but the first Bulls threepeat team was much better than any team LeBron has played on.

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Chris Bosh and Wade are better supporting stars than Pippen and Grant/Rodman. The east has been atrocious for most of the last 15 years or so, which happens to coincide with LeBron's career.


I don't agree. Scottie was better than Wade unless we are focusing on scoring.


I wouldn't say Scottie was better than Wade, but the first Bulls threepeat team was much better than any team LeBron has played on.


Other than score there is absolutely nothing Wade has ever done that was better than Scottie. Scottie is one of the top 5 to 10 best all around players that ever played the game.

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Chris Bosh and Wade are better supporting stars than Pippen and Grant/Rodman. The east has been atrocious for most of the last 15 years or so, which happens to coincide with LeBron's career.


I don't agree. Scottie was better than Wade unless we are focusing on scoring.


I wouldn't say Scottie was better than Wade, but the first Bulls threepeat team was much better than any team LeBron has played on.


Other than score there is absolutely nothing Wade has ever done that was better than Scottie. Scottie is one of the top 5 to 10 best all around players that ever played the game.



Scoring is the most important thing in the game. Bill Hanzlik did everything besides score better than most Hall of Famers.

And no way Scottie is one of the top 5 or 10 anything to play the game. That's just silly. There are more than ten centers who were better all around than Pippen.

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Bulls fan #1 is wrong.



My point is that the same fan often makes both arguments in different conversations.

The closest Jordan ever came to carrying a bum team the way LeBron has was when he dropped that 63 on a great, great Celtics team. And still the Bulls went out in the first round.

That gets us into some more cognitive dissonance:

Argument #1: Jordan had tougher competition than LeBron.

Argument #2: Players are bigger, faster, and better than ever.

Jordan did have tougher competition in the East then LeBron did. The deep teams are in the west.

And the players are bigger and faster. Why do you think Jordan dropped 63 on the Celtics? They were overmatched by the next level athleticism.

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I think Jordan needed Scottie too. Scottie was the guy everyone liked and he was very unselfish. He made the job MJ had to do easier.


Who liked Scottie?

He was a petulant, unsophisticated turd.

People liked Jordan. You might respond that they only liked him because he was BMOC but a lot of those guys are still his friends.

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Chris Bosh and Wade are better supporting stars than Pippen and Grant/Rodman. The east has been atrocious for most of the last 15 years or so, which happens to coincide with LeBron's career.



Correct. LeBron James has never had to beat a team as good as the Bad Boy Pistons in the East.

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You're wrong. Scottie is arguably the best wing defender in the history of the game. He could guard every position at a time when there were great centers. He was a point forward and had one of the highest basketball IQ's ever. He is definitely one of the top 5 or 10 best all around players. He didn't need to score 30 to have a great impact on the game but he could.

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You're wrong. Scottie is arguably the best wing defender in the history of the game. He could guard every position at a time when there were great centers. He was a point forward and had one of the highest basketball IQ's ever. He is definitely one of the top 5 or 10 best all around players. He didn't need to score 30 to have a great impact on the game but he could.



Come on. He couldn't really guard a center. And there have been plenty of great defenders. Pippen is comparable to Dennis Johnson. If we were in a tavern in South Boston instead of on a message board based in Chicago, guys would be making the same arguments in DJ's favor.

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I think Jordan needed Scottie too. Scottie was the guy everyone liked and he was very unselfish. He made the job MJ had to do easier.


Who liked Scottie?

He was a petulant, unsophisticated turd.

People liked Jordan. You might respond that they only liked him because he was BMOC but a lot of those guys are still his friends.


His teammates and players around the league. The star players used to tell Jordan that if he gave them Scottie they would win too. Tex Winters said the only time his offense was run the right way was with Scottie. Every Bulls player that was asked preferred Scottie over Jordan because he was a better teammate and an unselfish player. Let's not rewrite history.

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