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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:14 am 
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Which signing was better than Gasol? I don't count James.
Paxson was roundly criticized here for signing Gasol. A simple bumping of that thread would bare that out.
Why wouldn't James count? He was a free agent that changed teams.

Gasol did better than many expected, I doubt many would dispute that. Yet his numbers on the offensive end gloss over the liability he always creates on defense. And, as you noted above, he was the front office's second choice after they failed to land the player they really wanted, much like Boozer was in 2010.

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The Bulls don't have the cap room to acquire Aldridge. Their problem is that Derrick Rose has been injured for over 3 seasons now. I'm wondering how his injuries are Paxson's fault.
Neither do the Heat yet they're supposedly in contention. As I said, difference between a front office willing to be pro-active and one that's happy standing pat and believing in holding onto their assets. BTW, why are Rose's injuries a legitimate excuse for Paxson but not Thibs? It seems to me they're an excuse for the performance of both or neither.

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LaMarcus Aldridge is 30 yrs old now and his teams have not fared any better playoff wise than Carmelo Anthony's yet he is a guy the Bulls should acquire? He also has benefitted from having better talent as teammates.

The Blazers have been perpetually plagued by injuries over his entire tenure there. Evaluating individual talent on the basis of team wins and losses alone is almost as dumb in the NBA as it is in the NFL.
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Hoiberg may turnout to be the Bulls most significant move as Kerr turned out to be Golden State's most significant move last yr. I'm not saying that he will have the same success but I believe he is an improvement over Thibs.

Or perhaps he'll be more akin to other recent coaches hired with no NBA coaching experience, such as Derek Fisher and David Blatt.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Offseason Moves
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Which signing was better than Gasol? I don't count James.
Paxson was roundly criticized here for signing Gasol. A simple bumping of that thread would bare that out

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Why wouldn't James count? He was a free agent that changed teams.




James was only going to sign with two teams. How is that Paxson's fault that the Bulls were not in the "running"?



Gasol did better than many expected, I doubt many would dispute that. Yet his numbers on the offensive end gloss over the liability he always creates on defense.

Gasol signed for about 7mil a yr. and led the NBA in double-doubles. Avg. About 2 blocks per game. The MVP of the league is a worse defender than Gasol and it didn't hurt GS.

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quote]The Bulls don't have the cap room to acquire Aldridge. Their problem is that Derrick Rose has been injured for over 3 seasons now. I'm wondering how his injuries are Paxson's fault.
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/quote]Neither do the Heat yet they're supposedly in contention. As I said, difference between a front office willing to be pro-active and one that's happy standing pat and believing in holding onto their assets.

If Gasol is the Bulls second choice, then what choice are the Heat for Aldridge? A saving face show of interest I guess is all it takes to show the fans you are going for it.

BTW, why are Rose's injuries a legitimate excuse for Paxson but not Thibs? It seems to me they're an excuse for the performance of both or neither.

I grant Thibs an excuse for the previous yrs but not this one. You're criticizing Blatt and suggesting that he failed yet he got to the finals and defeated the great Thibs with a depleted roster.

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LaMarcus Aldridge is 30 yrs old now and his teams have not fared any better playoff wise than Carmelo Anthony's yet he is a guy the Bulls should acquire? He also has benefitted from having better talent as teammates.



The Blazers have been perpetually plagued by injuries over his entire tenure there. Evaluating individual talent on the basis of team wins and losses alone is almost as dumb in the NBA as it is in the NFL.


Actually it's not and it's even dumber to base the success of a team on the greatness of one player. Happens here all the time and if I search hard enough I'm sure you've done it a few times.

If individual talent doesn't matter then why advocate for the acquisition of Aldridge anyway? He may not improve the team according to your logic.


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Hoiberg may turnout to be the Bulls most significant move as Kerr turned out to be Golden State's most significant move last yr. I'm not saying that he will have the same success but I believe he is an improvement over Thibs.

Or perhaps he'll be more akin to other recent coaches hired with no NBA coaching experience, such as Derek Fisher and David Blatt.


Again Blatt made it to the Finals and he is a bad coach Thibs struggles against an inferior Bucks team and loses to a depleted CAVs team and he is a great coach.

Also it's awfully interesting that this barrage of job offers which was supposed to come Thibs way never quite materialized. The coaching hires made this off season did not consist of a who's who list of coaches.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Offseason Moves
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deandre jordan to mavs. Huge loss for Clippers

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deandre jordan to mavs. Huge loss for Clippers


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Gary Neal to Washington.

David West wants to go to either SA or Wash

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Offseason Moves
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Lamarcus Aldridge to Spurs.

Spurs will be getting another title soon.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Offseason Moves
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David West wants to go to either SA or Wash


I guess he has enough money...signs with SA for $1.5m and leaves $11m on the table with Indiana?

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Offseason Moves
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David West wants to go to either SA or Wash


I guess he has enough money...signs with SA for $1.5m and leaves $11m on the table with Indiana?


I have no idea why anyone would do that.

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Which signing was better than Gasol? I don't count James.
Paxson was roundly criticized here for signing Gasol. A simple bumping of that thread would bare that out.

The Bulls don't have the cap room to acquire Aldridge. Their problem is that Derrick Rose has been injured for over 3 seasons now. I'm wondering how his injuries are Paxson's fault.

LaMarcus Aldridge is 30 yrs old now and his teams have not fared any better playoff wise than Carmelo Anthony's yet he is a guy the Bulls should acquire? He also has benefitted from having better talent as teammates.



That's not really fair, Portland plays in the west..how would the Bulls have done if they played in Portland's place? Aldridge has done his job.. Portland would have won the East the last 3 years .

I agree..reacquiring Lamarcus would open up old wounds on that retard Paxsons sensitive epidermis.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Offseason Moves
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Which signing was better than Gasol? I don't count James.
Paxson was roundly criticized here for signing Gasol. A simple bumping of that thread would bare that out.

The Bulls don't have the cap room to acquire Aldridge. Their problem is that Derrick Rose has been injured for over 3 seasons now. I'm wondering how his injuries are Paxson's fault.

LaMarcus Aldridge is 30 yrs old now and his teams have not fared any better playoff wise than Carmelo Anthony's yet he is a guy the Bulls should acquire? He also has benefitted from having better talent as teammates.



That's not really fair, Portland plays in the west..how would the Bulls have done if they played in Portland's place? Aldridge has done his job.. Portland would have won the East the last 3 years .

I agree..reacquiring Lamarcus would open up old wounds on that retard Paxsons sensitive epidermis.


Portland was not better than Miami. They also were not better than Cleveland and a healthy Bulls team this year beats them. Aldridge really hasn't come up big in the playoffs and earlier in his career Brandon Roy was the man on the team.

The Bulls don't have the cap space to acquire Aldridge. He wanted to play in San Antonio and that is where he will play. His team this year didn't get out of the first round either.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Offseason Moves
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David West wants to go to either SA or Wash


I guess he has enough money...signs with SA for $1.5m and leaves $11m on the table with Indiana?


I have no idea why anyone would do that.

Winning a championship is important to him. He was not going to do that in Indiana.

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That is a lot of money though.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Offseason Moves
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That is a lot of money though.


I'm sure the Spurs told him they would take care of him next season when the cap explodes.

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Reports that the clippers are meeting with deandre jordan to talk him into staying with them. I guess he hasn't officially signed anything with mavs

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Reports that the clippers are meeting with deandre jordan to talk him into staying with them. I guess he hasn't officially signed anything with mavs


Why on earth would anyone pay DeAndre Jordan 20 million a year? I know the cap is set to balloon in the near future, but damn, these from offices never learn. Two years from now, whether it's Dallas or LA, they'll both be trying to unload that contract. Every NBA free agency period brings more and more madness. I know MLB teams do stupid things too, but at least they don't have to worry about a salary cap.


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Reports that the clippers are meeting with deandre jordan to talk him into staying with them. I guess he hasn't officially signed anything with mavs

Nothing is signed by anybody until tomorrow.

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Reports that the clippers are meeting with deandre jordan to talk him into staying with them. I guess he hasn't officially signed anything with mavs

Nothing is signed by anybody until tomorrow.

Good call. I always forget how that works

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So far, Clippers able to keep everyone else out of house, including Cuban, agents. Everyone. They're in four-corners until midnight Eastern.

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Deron Williams has been bought out by the Brooklyn Nets. He's expected to sign with the Mavs.

What a fall from his early days in Utah. I don't know what was more surprising, his early success or his downfall with the Nets?


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Josh Smith to the Clippers. Minimum Deal. Yikes.

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Josh Smith to the Clippers. Minimum Deal. Yikes.


There was a max offer out there but he wanted to win

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Josh Smith to the Clippers. Minimum Deal. Yikes.


There was a max offer out there but he wanted to win

He won't.

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