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To Dallas.

For Trevor Daley and Ryan Garbutt

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To Dallas.

Along with Stephen Johns.

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I'm really not disappointed. We knew he was going to be gone.

This was absolutely necessary to get under the salary cap. And he was getting to be past his prime anyhow.

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What was the cap shit we got back? I knew he had to go but hate we will now get Bernsie doing his shit on this having to do with his made up crap.

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I wonder if this got did before the Saad trade if they couldve kept him.

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So what is the report on what we got back? From the little I read the Daley guy sounds like someone who could be an asset.

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So what is the report on what we got back? From the little I read the Daley guy sounds like someone who could be an asset.

Daley had the worst season of any defenseman "full time" las year in the league, according to the stat geeks. But it was his worst season ever, so he'll probably be better than that.
Garbutt is a world-class agitator/moron.

Would not surprise me to see one of these guys get flipped later, I suppose.

I am stunned to see Johns leave.....I for sure thought he was full time top-6 blue line next year. :(

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RFDC wrote:
So what is the report on what we got back? From the little I read the Daley guy sounds like someone who could be an asset.

Daley had the worst season of any defenseman "full time" las year in the league, according to the stat geeks. But it was his worst season ever, so he'll probably be better than that.
Garbutt is a world-class agitator/moron.

Would not surprise me to see one of these guys get flipped later, I suppose.

I am stunned to see Johns leave.....I for sure thought he was full time top-6 blue line next year. :(

Yeah I was disappointed seeing Johns leave, but it sounds like it was the only way to get the deal done.

Found this in Zawaski's article on the trade in regard to Daley

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In Daley, the Blackhawks are getting what one source has called a Nick Leddy/Johnny Oduya hybrid. He’s a great skater and solid puck mover. His advanced stats look pretty bad (http://war-on-ice.com/playerseason.html?woiid=daleytr83), but Dallas was one of the league’s worst defensive teams, allowing 260 goals, behind only Edmonton, Buffalo, Arizona and Toronto. Daley, like Johnny Oduya before him (http://war-on-ice.com/playerseason.html?woiid=oduyajo81), should see a significant boost in both his numbers and metrics when he is paired with Niklas Hjalmarsson.

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I'd rather keep Oduya for another 2 years to keep with Hammer.
And then Daley can keep sucking the hind teet....with.......Runblad.
Oh god. That hurt just to type.

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I'd rather keep Oduya for another 2 years to keep with Hammer.
And then Daley can keep sucking the hind teet....with.......Runblad.
Oh god. That hurt just to type.


You wouldn't be able to even type Oduya's name without this trade.


Think about this. If Johns was so great then why did they wait for TVR to tour the entire hospital for 6 months and then play him for the 4 most important games of the season while a healthy and older (i think) Johns sat at home.

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Think about this. If Johns was so great then why did they wait for TVR to tour the entire hospital for 6 months and then play him for the 4 most important games of the season while a healthy and older (i think) Johns sat at home.

Johns was injured.

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Think about this. If Johns was so great then why did they wait for TVR to tour the entire hospital for 6 months and then play him for the 4 most important games of the season while a healthy and older (i think) Johns sat at home.

Johns was injured.

Correct. He broke his forearm in the final game of the AHL playoffs for Rockford.
Johns is way better than Runblad for sure. Probably TVR also.

I get it, the Hawks probably had to throw Johns in to make the deal go, but this will look bad in a couple years.

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Good for him. TVR broke his kneecap and his wrist and played once healed. Johns would not have played had he been healthy. He might be a decent player going forward but TVR fits the Hawks scheme. Do not underestimate the Oduya returning factor either.

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Story discussing in part the cap analysis. Still more work to do. :(

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hoc ... an-garbutt

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I am very very disappointed to see Johns go. He's a very good prospects who most likely would have played next year. Having said that, the Hawks have made a habit of getting rid of young defensive prospects and then winning the Stanley Cup so hard to argue with Stan.

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Who won the Patrick Sharp trade: Blackhawks or Stars?
Greg Wyshynski By Greg Wyshynski

The easiest evaluation of any NHL trade: The team that gets the best player wins the trade.

Using that, the Dallas Stars won their trade with the Chicago Blackhawks on Friday night, getting Patrick Sharp along with defenseman prospect Stephen Johns, for defenseman Trevor Daley and forward Ryan Garbutt.

Sharp, 33, has topped 30 goals in three of the last five seasons. He’s a possession-driving two-way forward that can excel in several role. Did last season suck? In context, totally: In 68 games, Sharp posted his worst points-per-game average since 2007 (0.63) and posted the quietest 15 points in the postseason in recent memory, while posting his lowest average ice time in the playoffs (15:35) in his career.

So the hope for Dallas is that last season was an anomaly and that they’ve found their second-line left wing for the next two seasons.

The next level of evaluation: The team that gets the best player and didn’t need to give up anything that significantly damaging to their roster wins the trade. Using that, the Dallas Stars won the trade because they acquired Patrick Sharp and the primary asset they moved for him won’t devastate them.

There was some shock and awe in the reaction to this trade from people who (a) are familiar with the name Trevor Daley but haven’t watched him play and (b) who look at the Stars’ remaining defensemen and see it as paper-thin when in reality it has the potential to be quite solid – wIth the addition of Johns, and especially when they land a veteran UFA defenseman to add to the mix – and losing Daley is, frankly, addition by subtraction.

Daley has his virtues as a defenseman, but playing the role in which he was cast in Dallas didn’t accentuate them. As Scott Cullen notes, Daley “was woefully overmatched in his role as a top pair defenceman for Dallas last season, posting the worst relative possession stats among 128 defencemen to play at least 1000 5-on-5 minutes.”

(No. 18 from the bottom on that list: Johnny Oduya, the only Chicago defenseman in the bottom 30.)

Defending Big D had a three-part series in Daley recently, and came to this conclusion:

To be successful with the way he was playing, Daley needs to be with a team that can fit something similar to those parameters. And even if the Stars want to make it work with Daley, they don't have a coach that likes to shelter veteran players. Asking [Lindy] Ruff to shelter Daley is unlikely to get anywhere at this stage of his coaching career.

Joel Quenneville, meanwhile, has the luxury of sheltering Daley if he wishes, not only with the players he could pair him with to cover his mistakes but because Daley won’t have to play over 22 minutes a night (Oduya played 20:17 in the regular season).

Which brings us to our final test for a trade: Is it possible that a deal can actually benefit both teams, at least at first glance?

Using that: The answer, in this case, is yes.

The Blackhawks were desperate to clear cap space. Trading Patrick Sharp gets them $2.5 million in breathing room, as Daley makes $3.3 million against the cap and Garbutt will have a $900,000 cap hit after Dallas picked up half his $1.8 million hit.

(Garbutt, by the way, is one of my favorite players to watch. Pumps a ton of shots on goal, had 17 goals last season and a frequently crossing-the-line agitator. Does he make Andrew Shaw expendable?)

As GM Stan Bowman said on Friday, via the Chicago Tribune, trying to move that Sharp contract might not have netted them the haul they received from Dallas:

“This is more of an old-fashioned hockey trade,” Bowman said. “Sometimes when you make trades of players who make a lot of money, you’re just trying to get draft picks or prospects back. The key thing for us was trying to make our team better in the process.

“We did clear some salary-cap space in the process, which is a positive. From that perspective, it was sort of a dual-purpose move.”

Daley’s offense is palpable. His defensive shortcomings are glaring. “We’ve always marveled at Trevor’s ability to skate. He’s a very active player, he’s involved in the play and I think he’s going to be a great fit for the style of hockey that we play here,” said Bowman.

Obviously the Blackhawks feel they can manage those flaws, and there’s no question he brings more offensive pop than they ever had with Oduya, if this ends up being the trade-off.

If Daley’s been defined by his ill-fitting role, Sharp has been defined by his inflated contract.

He’s been a cap hit on skates for the last year, because that’s how the organization had to see him. But look beyond the contract. At his best, Sharp is a gamer: A sniper offensively, defensively sound and does all the little things. And while “rings in the room” is one of the biggest clichés in hockey, the fact is that Sharp has three of them as a primary player on a championship team (and Dallas rival) and the Stars are still trying to figure out how to win.

(To say nothing of the fact that he’ll significantly push Tyler Seguin to up his game … at the next Dallas players’ male modeling charity night.)

In the last three years, GM Jim Nill has added Tyler Seguin, Jason Spezza, Patrick Sharp and Ales Hemsky to his top six. While the Stars are going to go as far as their defense and goaltending will take them, Nill has done a hell of a job keeping up with the Western Conference’s offensive arms race.

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You are looking at it the wrong way. He comes in to town a few times per year. Absence makes the heart grow fonder

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He repeatedly has called Keith his "best friend", his "brother", etc....in hockey. They rode the same bus together at the parade. The day after the rally, TV helicopters showed Keith at Sharp's condo partying with the Cup.


Bernstein ever address this?

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John's leaving hurts.

The robust D depth this organization had in the minors is now beyond bare.

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The biggest factor is that there were only 10 times that Sharp could be traded to. As much as I like how the Saad trade ended in favor of the Blackhawks, this one feels like we didn't get the right value in return, nor did we get enough cap relief.

Bickell or Crawford still have to go. Bickell's contract will be very, very tough to deal. Something else has to give.

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For those of you that do not read the B&B threads. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck- ... 08348.html

Keith says not Sharp but not very detailed.

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