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http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketba ... 08.article

I don't have a problem with them......we always want it both ways. We hate the soundbites, but then when a player speaks his mind, we attack him for doing it. Skiles said, "Again, it probably should be somebody else speaking for the group.'' That is the point, the Bulls don't have anyone else who is a vocal leader on the team. So why doesn't Skiles say "What Joakim said is TRUE."? That is the point. What he said was TRUE. Who cares if he is a rookie. It says more about the leadership or lack thereof on this team that it HAS TO BE A ROOKIE to state the obvious.


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Scott Skiles reminds me of a crusty old hockey guy.

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i don't know why this is even getting press.

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''If I had just played my first pro game, I'd probably keep my mouth shut, to be honest with you,'' Skiles said. ''It's obvious we're not playing to our ability, there's no doubt about that.


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I was at that game. Let me tell you, Noah was right on. Mobley played like Hinrich wasn't there, I mean he was way above him all day long. Wallace would not, absolutely not finish a shot, and on D he would not squeeze any boards, he was tappin even in situations where he should have pulled it down. He looked winded and old. I saw some nice Defensive flashes (flashes only) from Noah, but honestly he looked confused, but heck, this was his FIRST game.
I like the kid, he said what was on his mind, he was right, and when coach told him to shut it, he will.
You're gonna eventually like this kid.

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Kid Cairo wrote:
Scott Skiles reminds me of a crusty old hockey guy.


Skiles is beginning to remind me of Tim Floyd--a coach so lost in his own abstractions that he doesn't realize he's losing his team. The Bulls simply aren't playing hard for him anymore.

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Mental Midget wrote:
Kid Cairo wrote:
Scott Skiles reminds me of a crusty old hockey guy.


Skiles is beginning to remind me of Tim Floyd--a coach so lost in his own abstractions that he doesn't realize he's losing his team. The Bulls simply aren't playing hard for him anymore.


Hyperbole defined.

Skiles took an 0-9 to the playoffs.

Yes, they've gotten off to a bad start and the short-term doesn't look great, but to say he's lost his team to the degree of the worst coach in Bulls' history is absurd.


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Mental Midget wrote:
Kid Cairo wrote:
Scott Skiles reminds me of a crusty old hockey guy.


Skiles is beginning to remind me of Tim Floyd--a coach so lost in his own abstractions that he doesn't realize he's losing his team. The Bulls simply aren't playing hard for him anymore.


I don't know that I buy the "they don't play hard for him anymore" excuse. When does it come down to "they don't play hard because they don't want to because they're overpaid and lazy"?

The Giants have turned things around and Tom Coughlin is a total asshole. I think it comes down to do they have the drive/will/hunger and/or have they gotten better at their positions?

Wallace sure as hell hasn't, Tyrus Thomas hasn't, and Luol Deng really hasn't either.

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NSJ wrote:
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Kid Cairo wrote:
Scott Skiles reminds me of a crusty old hockey guy.


Skiles is beginning to remind me of Tim Floyd--a coach so lost in his own abstractions that he doesn't realize he's losing his team. The Bulls simply aren't playing hard for him anymore.


Hyperbole defined.

Skiles took an 0-9 to the playoffs.

Yes, they've gotten off to a bad start and the short-term doesn't look great, but to say he's lost his team to the degree of the worst coach in Bulls' history is absurd.


Umm, Skiles is obviously a better tactician and teacher of fundamentals than Floyd was. But that doesn't mean he can't lose the team like Floyd did. I think the Bulls are showing signs that they've tuned Skiles out, although this is just speculation. Whatever the case, for you to suggest that Skiles couldn't lose the team is the absurdity here. If you want to engage in confrontation, make sure you make sense before doing so, jackass.

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Country Bumpkin wrote:
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Kid Cairo wrote:
Scott Skiles reminds me of a crusty old hockey guy.


Skiles is beginning to remind me of Tim Floyd--a coach so lost in his own abstractions that he doesn't realize he's losing his team. The Bulls simply aren't playing hard for him anymore.


I don't know that I buy the "they don't play hard for him anymore" excuse. When does it come down to "they don't play hard because they don't want to because they're overpaid and lazy"?

The Giants have turned things around and Tom Coughlin is a total asshole. I think it comes down to do they have the drive/will/hunger and/or have they gotten better at their positions?

Wallace sure as hell hasn't, Tyrus Thomas hasn't, and Luol Deng really hasn't either.


That's a good point. It's possible that the players have gotten lazy (or that they're just not that talented) AND Skiles can no longer effectively motivate them. In any event, I don't see the effort on offense or defense that I saw last year. Of course, last November the team looked incredibly lethargic as well, so maybe we'll se a similar resurgence this year. Even if we do, though, the team possesses obvious flaws that preclude it from becoming a serious title contender.

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It's certainly possible that the Bulls will turn it around, but I don't think it's too early to sound the alarms. The Bears stink but were mostly given the benefit of the doubt until at least week 4 that they were still a good team. The Sox were still given a shot into late May this year even though they'd been bad since the previous All-star break. Sure, some people saw early that these teams weren't good, but for the most part people kept saying these teams had too much talent to be that bad, but they were. The 2006-07 Bulls may be just like those 2 teams.


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It's certainly possible that the Bulls will turn it around, but I don't think it's too early to sound the alarms. The Bears stink but were mostly given the benefit of the doubt until at least week 4 that they were still a good team. The Sox were still given a shot into late May this year even though they'd been bad since the previous All-star break. Sure, some people saw early that these teams weren't good, but for the most part people kept saying these teams had too much talent to be that bad, but they were. The 2006-07 Bulls may be just like those 2 teams.


The bulls are the opposite of the White Sox. The White Sox were an old group that had already peaked and were falling apart hitting and pitching. The Bulls main players are all really young except for Joe Smith and Ben Wallace, and its rare for 4th and 5th year guys to all od a sudden go on a sharp decline over an entire season when they had each been improving consistently since they came in the league.

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I don't have a problem with them......we always want it both ways. We hate the soundbites, but then when a player speaks his mind, we attack him for doing it. Skiles said, "Again, it probably should be somebody else speaking for the group.'' That is the point, the Bulls don't have anyone else who is a vocal leader on the team. So why doesn't Skiles say "What Joakim said is TRUE."? That is the point. What he said was TRUE. Who cares if he is a rookie. It says more about the leadership or lack thereof on this team that it HAS TO BE A ROOKIE to state the obvious.


I don't have any issues with the comments Noah made, but I do agree with Skiles that it's rather ridiculous for a guy playing in his 1st game to criticize the team.


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It's certainly possible that the Bulls will turn it around, but I don't think it's too early to sound the alarms. The Bears stink but were mostly given the benefit of the doubt until at least week 4 that they were still a good team. The Sox were still given a shot into late May this year even though they'd been bad since the previous All-star break. Sure, some people saw early that these teams weren't good, but for the most part people kept saying these teams had too much talent to be that bad, but they were. The 2006-07 Bulls may be just like those 2 teams.


The bulls are the opposite of the White Sox. The White Sox were an old group that had already peaked and were falling apart hitting and pitching. The Bulls main players are all really young except for Joe Smith and Ben Wallace, and its rare for 4th and 5th year guys to all od a sudden go on a sharp decline over an entire season when they had each been improving consistently since they came in the league.


I think they will turn it around. It just may not happen until the road trip is over. I'm just hoping for a 3-5, 4-4 record over the next 8 games.


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It's certainly possible that the Bulls will turn it around, but I don't think it's too early to sound the alarms. The Bears stink but were mostly given the benefit of the doubt until at least week 4 that they were still a good team. The Sox were still given a shot into late May this year even though they'd been bad since the previous All-star break. Sure, some people saw early that these teams weren't good, but for the most part people kept saying these teams had too much talent to be that bad, but they were. The 2006-07 Bulls may be just like those 2 teams.


The bulls are the opposite of the White Sox. The White Sox were an old group that had already peaked and were falling apart hitting and pitching. The Bulls main players are all really young except for Joe Smith and Ben Wallace, and its rare for 4th and 5th year guys to all od a sudden go on a sharp decline over an entire season when they had each been improving consistently since they came in the league.


I think they will turn it around. It just may not happen until the road trip is over. I'm just hoping for a 3-5, 4-4 record over the next 8 games.


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Whatever the case, for you to suggest that Skiles couldn't lose the team is the absurdity here. If you want to engage in confrontation, make sure you make sense before doing so, jackass.


And where exactly did I suggest that it wasn't possible. Read what I wrote. I simply challenged your comparison to Floyd, which is absurd.

Jackass? Confrontation? It's getting to be weekly that you need to be reminded to relax. You're over the top use of the English is amusing, but you've got to drop the "I'm better than everyone else here" attitude, man.


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Whatever the case, for you to suggest that Skiles couldn't lose the team is the absurdity here. If you want to engage in confrontation, make sure you make sense before doing so, jackass.


And where exactly did I suggest that it wasn't possible. Read what I wrote. I simply challenged your comparison to Floyd, which is absurd.

Jackass? Confrontation? It's getting to be weekly that you need to be reminded to relax. You're over the top use of the English is amusing, but you've got to drop the "I'm better than everyone else here" attitude, man.


1)You contradict yourself. My comparison was based on the point you indicate is both valid and absurd. Get some fresh air. You need to clear your head.

2)Who made you the judge of what's over the top and what's not? Your self-appointment as the board's arbiter of proper English usage indicates you're the one who has the superiority complex, not me. I'm glad I can amuse you. I have no higher purpose in my life than to be the lapdog for a bloated North Shore dilettante who has an ego that is only exceeded in size by his evident desire to signify his social status. Now take me for a walk or I might pee on your carpeting.

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You've got a serious talent there, Midge. I litterally spit coffee on my screen reading this. :lol: :lol:


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NSJ wrote:
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Whatever the case, for you to suggest that Skiles couldn't lose the team is the absurdity here. If you want to engage in confrontation, make sure you make sense before doing so, jackass.


And where exactly did I suggest that it wasn't possible. Read what I wrote. I simply challenged your comparison to Floyd, which is absurd.

Jackass? Confrontation? It's getting to be weekly that you need to be reminded to relax. You're over the top use of the English is amusing, but you've got to drop the "I'm better than everyone else here" attitude, man.


NSJ,
I hate to question YOU'RE use THE English in that sentence, but it's not in the same class as the Midge. Northwestern education sure ain't what it used to be :wink:

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NSJ,
I hate to question YOU'RE use THE English in that sentence, but it's not in the same class as the Midge. Northwestern education sure ain't what it used to be :wink:


they're grammar is fine!


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I do this so frequently that it's really a mute point.


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I do this so frequently that it's really a mute point.


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I like this Noah guy.


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