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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:28 am 
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He says today his cell phone was broken, he didn't destroy it.

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From Brady's Facebook page:

"I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline.

Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January. To suggest that I destroyed a phone to avoid giving the NFL information it requested is completely wrong."

Your cell phone just happened to break before the investigators want it? Right. You disagree with the NFL narrative? If that's your way of formulating a denial, it's pretty weak. If you had nothing to hide, why didn't you just hand it over and the matter would have been done with? But you did. It wasn't about setting a bad precedent, which is just a cover-up excuse.

Stop it already, Tom. You're becoming the next O.J.


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What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods because it's made of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.


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He says today his cell phone was broken, he didn't destroy it.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/7/29/90662 ... er-goodell

From Brady's Facebook page:

"I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline.

Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January. To suggest that I destroyed a phone to avoid giving the NFL information it requested is completely wrong."

Your cell phone just happened to break before the investigators want it? Right. You disagree with the NFL narrative? If that's your way of formulating a denial, it's pretty weak. If you had nothing to hide, why didn't you just hand it over and the matter would have been done with? But you did. It wasn't about setting a bad precedent, which is just a cover-up excuse.

Stop it already, Tom. You're becoming the next O.J.


You missed the part where he said he wasn't obligated to give it to them anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: New Brady Excuse
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You missed the part where he said he wasn't obligated to give it to them anyway.
In a civil trial he would have to, and that will almost certainly be brought up in his coming litigation.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You missed the part where he said he wasn't obligated to give it to them anyway.
In a civil trial he would have to, and that will almost certainly be brought up in his coming litigation.


If you were falsely accused, wouldn't you hand over your phone, if asked for, to clear your name? What's the big deal, unless you had been texting your mistress? Maybe he was and that's what he didn't want anyone to find out. To say that he wouldn't hand over the phone on legal principle in a non-court situation because he wasn't obligated to do so was just plain dumb in his situation. If he had nothing to hide, then why fight it? Whoever has been counseling him lacks any common sense. Of course his lawyers would say fight it. That's how they get paid.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
You missed the part where he said he wasn't obligated to give it to them anyway.
In a civil trial he would have to, and that will almost certainly be brought up in his coming litigation.


If you were falsely accused, wouldn't you hand over your phone, if asked for, to clear your name? What's the big deal, unless you had been texting your mistress? Maybe he was and that's what he didn't want anyone to find out. To say that he wouldn't hand over the phone on legal principle in a non-court situation because he wasn't obligated to do so was just plain dumb in his situation. If he had nothing to hide, then why fight it? Whoever has been counseling him lacks any common sense. Of course his lawyers would say fight it. That's how they get paid.


Read his entire statement.

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 Post subject: Re: New Brady Excuse
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Nas wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
You missed the part where he said he wasn't obligated to give it to them anyway.
In a civil trial he would have to, and that will almost certainly be brought up in his coming litigation.


If you were falsely accused, wouldn't you hand over your phone, if asked for, to clear your name? What's the big deal, unless you had been texting your mistress? Maybe he was and that's what he didn't want anyone to find out. To say that he wouldn't hand over the phone on legal principle in a non-court situation because he wasn't obligated to do so was just plain dumb in his situation. If he had nothing to hide, then why fight it? Whoever has been counseling him lacks any common sense. Of course his lawyers would say fight it. That's how they get paid.


Read his entire statement.


He put up straw-man legalistic arguments that only made him look more foolish and guilty to anyone with half a brain. When this all boiled-up he had the chance to man-up and admit that he did it because of his personal preference. That would have been the end of it, and the NFL would not have come down on him and the PATS hard. Instead, he has said lies to cover up lies, which have only made things worse for him by destroying his public image. I don't know why you are defending him, when his position is untenable except in a court of law, which the NFL extra-judicial investigation and hearing isn't.


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 Post subject: Re: New Brady Excuse
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After not being told that he would get suspended if he didn't provide the information he actually ended up giving them everything after the fact.

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 Post subject: Re: New Brady Excuse
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Whip em, beat em, DUI, Drugs, kill people, shoot people, etc...but just dont let the air out of the ball!

Brady walks away from this case FREE...and whoops up on the league....place your bets now people!

He plays the humble 'aw shucks' guy better than anyone ever....but the guys history should tell you, he is gonna come back with a vengence.

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 Post subject: Re: New Brady Excuse
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After not being told that he would get suspended if he didn't provide the information he actually ended up giving them everything after the fact.


Not everything. Brady said detailed phone records, but not "all" requested phone records including those that possibly implicated him.

This is what Wells said originally of his meeting with Brady in conference call with reporters.

“Mr. Brady, the reports sets forth, he came to the interview, he answered every question I put to him,” Wells said. “He did not refuse to answer any questions. In terms of the back and forth between Mr. Brady and my team, he was totally cooperative. “At the same time, he refused to permit us to review electronic data from his telephone or other instruments. Most of the key evidence in this case, as in most cases, come from people’s cell phones, and he refused to let us review the phone. “And I want to be crystal clear: I told Mr. Brady and his agents, I was willing not to take possession of the phone. I said, ‘I don’t want to see any private information.’ I said, ‘You keep the phone. You, the agent, Mr. Yee, you keep the phone, you give me the documents that are responsive to this investigation, and I will take your word that you have given me what’s responsive. And they still refused.”

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 Post subject: Re: New Brady Excuse
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According to Brady he did that after the appeal.

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 Post subject: Re: New Brady Excuse
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The fact that penalties for actions or no actions become evident and now the NFL is looking to estalblish them is something that will work in Brady's favor.

As a matter of common sense and general management I wonder if the league sent warnings to teams before this? which I doubt.

Would think this would open up a pandoras box for the league....

This rule occurs if a team has more than six captains, one captain isn’t in an official uniform, or they’re late for the coin toss. If this happens, they lose their coin toss options and the other team can receive the ball twice at the beginning of each half.

Official uniforms means all uniform parts including helmet to be worn.

So, Can the Patriots say they get the ball twice if a team comes out with one playing not wearing a helmet?

Sure can, its in the rule book...and it states a clear penalty for the actions or lack thereof.

Should the NFL do it? Hell no.....

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 Post subject: Re: New Brady Excuse
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 Post subject: Re: New Brady Excuse
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The fact that penalties for actions or no actions become evident and now the NFL is looking to estalblish them is something that will work in Brady's favor.

As a matter of common sense and general management I wonder if the league sent warnings to teams before this? which I doubt.

Would think this would open up a pandoras box for the league....

This rule occurs if a team has more than six captains, one captain isn’t in an official uniform, or they’re late for the coin toss. If this happens, they lose their coin toss options and the other team can receive the ball twice at the beginning of each half.

Official uniforms means all uniform parts including helmet to be worn.

So, Can the Patriots say they get the ball twice if a team comes out with one playing not wearing a helmet?

Sure can, its in the rule book...and it states a clear penalty for the actions or lack thereof.

Should the NFL do it? Hell no.....


The NFL has been caught in a dilemma about enforcing a rule against a popular HOF player. If the rule was not wanted, then the league can change it. But as long as the rule of a ball inflation standard is on the books, the NFL sees it necessary for the integrity of the league and the game to take the hard-line as a deterrent against future rule violations by all players. I commend the NFL for its stance and for not being like our current Commander and Chief, who has picked and chosen the laws he wishes to enforce. The result has been a break-down of the rule-of-law, which only leads to anarchy. You had the same thing happen with Marshawn Lynch and his golden shoes, which the league didn't tolerate either, though people found that petty as well.

So at least the league has been consistent in its intent to enforce its rules, regardless of whom the subject of the infractions are.


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 Post subject: Re: New Brady Excuse
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The actual rule says that the penalty will be a $25k fine. Not lost draft picks and players being suspended for a quarter of a season.

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The actual rule says that the penalty will be a $25k fine. Not lost draft picks and players being suspended for a quarter of a season.


The penalty was harsher for Brady's failure to cooperate with the investigation, which is what the NFL cited.


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Brady is taking some really bad advice from guys who want to charge a lot of legal fees.

All he had to do was say, "look, I told those ball boys that I wanted the balls a certain way. They took it to far like they were spies or something. I certainly didn't tell them to tamper with the footballs after the officials check them"

Then pay the ball boys off to take the fall. He had to do at least a small mea culpa. That's all the NFL wanted.

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Brady is taking some really bad advice from guys who want to charge a lot of legal fees.

All he had to do was say, "look, I told those ball boys that I wanted the balls a certain way. They took it to far like they were spies or something. I certainly didn't tell them to tamper with the footballs after the officials check them"

Then pay the ball boys off to take the fall. He had to do at least a small mea culpa. That's all the NFL wanted.


True. I've read from a few lawyers that Brady has no shot in court. Maybe won't even get an injunction.

But if I'm Brady's lawyer, I'm not telling him that. Why would you? These lawyers are gonna make millions by just attempting to take it to court.


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Less credibility: Tom Brady or Lance Armstrong?


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Seems to be some issue of what was asked for and what was given.

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Less credibility: Tom Brady or Lance Armstrong?


By far Lance Armstrong. C'mon. Brady is a liar but he's lying about something that's a nothing.

Brady played in wrong from the beginning cuz he thought it was no big deal and would just go away. Got to point of no return so he has to keep going.


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I"ve got a question. Do you think Robert Kraft asked the equipment guys if it's true? Like early on when this thing happened. And he knows it's true but is still going hard at the NFL.


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Beardown wrote:
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Less credibility: Tom Brady or Lance Armstrong?


By far Lance Armstrong. C'mon. Brady is a liar but he's lying about something that's a nothing.

Brady played in wrong from the beginning cuz he thought it was no big deal and would just go away. Got to point of no return so he has to keep going.


Doubling and tripling down on lying about something that's a nothing is worse. There was no reason for it. Armstrong's whole career was based on a lie, he had every reason to keep it up.


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I would have smashed my phone too. Goodell probably told him to.

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