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Kane may be a bad guy and a rapist. He seems to have some bad facts in this case. But in a lot of cases it's not some dude plotting to incapacitate a woman and rape her. It's a couple people getting loaded together and then having sex. I can't think of anything more patriarchal than the concept that the man is capable of consent in such a situation while the woman is not.

I agree with you in a sense, and there is something infantilizing about the whole thing, but I'm willing to believe that the capability for consent differs between a man and a woman, and besides, if this is the standard women have decided they want, we sort of have to respect that no matter how self-infantilizing it may be, don't we? Maybe it wouldn't have had to come to this if there hadn't been so much rape before.


Well, I don't think all women feel that way. I mean, it's a little disingenuous to insist on equality except in particular instances when we want to play damsel in distress. Women of previous generations scratched and clawed to be able to get loaded like men and to fuck like men. Now some college students want to walk that back. I'd say we're developing more of a victim culture than a rape culture.

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Unless they tested her blood withing a few hours of ingesting Rohypnol is gone from the system real fast. And is easy to spot so by this time if the blood work shows non of it in her system they are hunting for other stuff.

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No reports of Kaner leaving his house. I'm sure reporters and/or neighbors are constantly on the watch. 4 days. Shit, that has to be the longest Kane has ever went without going to a bar since he turned 21. Who's making the food and booze runs for him?


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No reports of Kaner leaving his house. I'm sure reporters and/or neighbors are constantly on the watch. 4 days. Shit, that has to be the longest Kane has ever went without going to a bar since he turned 21. Who's making the food and booze runs for him?


21? more like 19. I was hittting the bars here in Chicago when I was 19

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Based on your posts here about your feelings towards hockey players in general. Why do you follow the sport? Make yourself happy and just stop, take up gardening or curling.

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Here's a case for his innocence. Bartender has a lot to say.

http://sportsmockery.com/2015/08/was-patrick-kane-targeted-or-is-it-wrong-to-ask-the-question/

I still say guilty.


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The bar owner sounds like a total scumbag. I like how he acts like he is just an innocent witness just providing his POV.
"I've got no skin in the game..." Bullshit. His description of the victims's actions/motives were deplorable. I'm surprised he didn't comment on her way of dress and that she was probably asking for it. Oh, and I did love his opinion of "Pat".

Also Beardown: This has nothing to do with his innocence. The defense will use his testimony to trash the victim and paint her as some money-grubbing whore. The fact remains his was just a visual account of what happened at the bar.


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Here's a case for his innocence. Bartender has a lot to say.

http://sportsmockery.com/2015/08/was-patrick-kane-targeted-or-is-it-wrong-to-ask-the-question/

I still say guilty.


Man, a lot of dumbfucks commenting on that article. "Kane doesn't need to rape anyone." What the fuck! Nobody "needs" to rape anyone. In this day and age it's hard to believe that people don't understand that rape isn't about sex, it's about power. Plenty of rapists get laid a lot outside of their raping.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Here's a case for his innocence. Bartender has a lot to say.

http://sportsmockery.com/2015/08/was-patrick-kane-targeted-or-is-it-wrong-to-ask-the-question/

I still say guilty.


Man, a lot of dumbfucks commenting on that article. "Kane doesn't need to rape anyone." What the fuck! Nobody "needs" to rape anyone. In this day and age it's hard to believe that people don't understand that rape isn't about sex, it's about power. Plenty of rapists get laid a lot outside of their raping.


I can only imagine the stupidity in comments. Listening to the Score this morning 7-9am they had some bartender who worked in Wrigleyville and his esteemed opinion was along the lines of, 'When you leave the bar with a guy you should know what you are getting into and what its all about.'


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Which show was that, the Matt Rodewald Breakfast of Condescension?

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Which show was that, the Matt Rodewald Breakfast of Condescension?


I'm pretty sure it was Rodewald. He gave off a ton of Bernstein vibes. He was scolding callers and complaining about texters and their quality. He spent half his time talking about the texters and how bad they were and how they have to be better. It made for bad radio. If you don't like the texters and their 'quality', ignore them and do the show.

Oh, I did laugh when he told someone to stop listening and not to listen to the show anymore. Bernstein had to be his mentor. Too many tell-tale signs.


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Did he sound just like Brian Paruch? Because then yeah that's him all right. Possibly the worst host I've heard on the Score who didn't win a contest to be there. Yes, worse than Jesse Rogers.

EDIT: if he sounded just like Ben Finfer, then it was Jordan Bernfield, who also does the whole Bernstein act, unearned.

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Quadrophenia wrote:
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Which show was that, the Matt Rodewald Breakfast of Condescension?


I'm pretty sure it was Rodewald. He gave off a ton of Bernstein vibes. He was scolding callers and complaining about texters and their quality. He spent half his time talking about the texters and how bad they were and how they have to be better. It made for bad radio. If you don't like the texters and their 'quality', ignore them and do the show.

Oh, I did laugh when he told someone to stop listening and not to listen to the show anymore. Bernstein had to be his mentor. Too many tell-tale signs.


I usually do my grocery shopping early on Saturday or Sunday morning and flip around the dial as I'm in and out of the car. Pickins' are pretty slim on Sunday mornings, it's either various public affairs programming, someone remarkably dull named Ian or Jon on ESPN, and Rodewald on 'SCR. The last two Sundays I went I heard a grand total of about 10 minutes of the latter and he did exactly what Quadrophenia said.

This fucking Caller Bob is on the air for 2 hours a week on Sunday morning before most people are probably up and he acts like he has the worst job in the world. How someone who is on for so little at a time when so few people are listening has the nerve to complain about the "quality" of callers and texters and tells people "Don't listen, this isn't for you." is beyond me.

It's embarrassing.


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A quick deployment of Tha Search Function shows that both bigfan and I have called Rodewald the worst host on the Score on completely separate occasions:

August 17, 2014:
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Mr. Rodewald this morning explained the some people on some message boards dont think he should be on the radio, but in his own words "I am and your not"


Rodewald is quietly one of the worst people at the Score.



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They can destroy Rodewald for all I care. Rodewald is one of the very worst hosts they ever have on the air.

Totally uninformed, just filling time.

He is your buddy who asks you if the Bears won or not today while at work, because he doesnt really watch, but then has an opinion on the team being good or bad.

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I hear Kane is in trouble. What's that all about?

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Its the greatest trade plan in the history of sports!

The entire city of Buffalo has orchestrated one of most devious and sophisticed moves of all time.

Sabres get Kaner and cash for a 3rd round pick in 2019....then after the trade, everything is dropped and the girl is named Mayor!

making this scenario a much better story than True D2

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Its the greatest trade plan in the history of sports!

The entire city of Buffalo has orchestrated one of most devious and sophisticed moves of all time.

Sabres get Kaner and cash for a 3rd round pick in 2019....then after the trade, everything is dropped and the girl is named Mayor!

making this scenario a much better story than True D2

You need to try and sell that to Hollywood. I'd be a huge hit, bigger than Caitlyn or maybe even Trump.

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No team is gonna trade for Kaner with a potential rape trial. C'mon. Don't be stupid. And that trial won't start until the season is underway.

I'm wondering if the Hawks are just gonna suspend him with pay. Training camp starts Sept 15. Can you really have him there? I don't think so.


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No team is gonna trade for Kaner with a potential rape trial. C'mon. Don't be stupid. And that trial won't start until the season is underway.

I'm wondering if the Hawks are just gonna suspend him with pay. Training camp starts Sept 15. Can you really have him there? I don't think so.

Why not? I doubt any of his teammates are in jeapordy.

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No team is gonna trade for Kaner with a potential rape trial. C'mon. Don't be stupid. And that trial won't start until the season is underway.

I'm wondering if the Hawks are just gonna suspend him with pay. Training camp starts Sept 15. Can you really have him there? I don't think so.

Why not? I doubt any of his teammates are in jeapordy.


All joking aside. It's an issue. I don't think the Hawks will have him there for training camp.


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No team is gonna trade for Kaner with a potential rape trial. C'mon. Don't be stupid. And that trial won't start until the season is underway.

I'm wondering if the Hawks are just gonna suspend him with pay. Training camp starts Sept 15. Can you really have him there? I don't think so.


Beardown, I am questioning your ability to differentiate

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No team is gonna trade for Kaner with a potential rape trial. C'mon. Don't be stupid. And that trial won't start until the season is underway.

I'm wondering if the Hawks are just gonna suspend him with pay. Training camp starts Sept 15. Can you really have him there? I don't think so.


Beardown, I am questioning your ability to differentiate

Is that an insult? If so, then it's a compliment.

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In a couple of days, this whole story will just miraculously just go away. A cash settlement offer near 7 figures will suffice.

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....just like the one against Castro a few years ago did.

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In a couple of days, this whole story will just miraculously just go away. A cash settlement offer near 7 figures will suffice.



And Bernsie will be beyond confused. Daddy you said hockey ok then no but grandpa says no liability.

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Beardown wrote:
Here's a case for his innocence. Bartender has a lot to say.

http://sportsmockery.com/2015/08/was-patrick-kane-targeted-or-is-it-wrong-to-ask-the-question/

I still say guilty.



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Kaner and/or the Blackhawks/Scotty Bowman need a PR guy to get these local-yokels spouting off ostensibly on Kane's behalf to stfu. The bar owner might think he's helping (while covering his own ass);
but all he's doing is making Kaner the social media poster boy for "rape culture" and pissing off the alleged rape victim and her family and friends even more:

http://www.dailypublic.com/articles/08092015/why-mark-croce-went-news-about-pat-kane
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Buffalo reporter on Mully & Hanley stated the accuser was of legal drinking age. So, there's that.


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I thought reports were she's 26?

random take: she was up for whatever when she left the club, but sounds like she had a lot to drink. she gets back to Kaner's, starts feeling unwell from all the alcohol + stopping drinking/sobering up, she asks to go lie down. goes into a room by herself to try to maintain/feel better. Kaner follows her in, assuming this is it. She's not feeling well, says "No"...


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Just because you are a drunken whore gold digger doesn't mean you cant be raped.

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Just because you are a drunken whore gold digger doesn't mean you cant be raped.

I'm sure she was dazzled by his movie star good looks and wholesale bro-ness.

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