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She shouldn't be slut shamed for fucking someone famous she should be shamed for wasting her cooter on a wad like Kane and his army of broes.

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Wow. They said the girl voluntarily took Molly before going to the bar. That's not good for her case.


Who is "they"?

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The biting was uncalled for.

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"They" also said her name is out there on social media. Which was predictable.


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"They" also said her name is out there on social media. Which was predictable.

As soon as it's public every swinging dick here will be googling her to see how hot she is. :lol:

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"They" also said her name is out there on social media. Which was predictable.


Can you find it? We need to see how hot she is.

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Wow. They said the girl voluntarily took Molly before going to the bar. That's not good for her case.


Who is "they"?


I'm guessing Sports Mockery, and here is their latest: http://sportsmockery.com/2015/08/rumor- ... ettlement/ They're pretty scummy, it sure seems. Any ally of 'incarcerated Bob' should seem that way.

I'm most angry that muting Beardown doesn't mean that quotes of him don't also get hidden. He's shitting up this thread like so many others.


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So now assuming that she was not underage, and recognizing that the police haven't arrested anyone, I think its safe to assume that lawyers are in a room piling up fees. I think the only question left is how many zero's will the check have.

Yep. So if goes down that way , makes it look like she's goldigging even if 88 has invested in rohypnol factories.


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"They" also said her name is out there on social media. Which was predictable.

As soon as it's public every swinging dick here will be googling her to see how hot she is. :lol:


Except Rozner.

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She also deleted her twitter and facebook before she called the cops. I understand why she would delete it. But before you call the cops? When you're frantic as the reports say, that's what you think to do first? Didn't want them to see you posted that you took Molly?


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She also deleted her twitter and facebook before she called the cops. I understand why she would delete it. But before you call the cops? When you're frantic as the reports say, that's what you think to do first? Didn't want them to see you posted that you took Molly?


Is historic twitter and facebook info stored or kept in an archive that could be accessible by the police?

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She also deleted her twitter and facebook before she called the cops. I understand why she would delete it. But before you call the cops? When you're frantic as the reports say, that's what you think to do first? Didn't want them to see you posted that you took Molly?


Is historic twitter and facebook info stored or kept in an archive that could be accessible by the police?


It is for a period of time. If the cops had the owners permission or a warrant they can get it. I've seem Twitter accounts get deleted and pop up again within a week or two under the same user id and nothing was missing.

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Facebook and twitter don't delete your account when you delete or, in their parlance, deactivate. They even tell you that as long as you log in within the next 30 days, your entire account will still be there waiting. And it's likely you can wait even longer. I've deactivated my facebook account for more than a year and come back and logged in and it was same as it ever was.

There is a process by which you can get them to truly delete your account; but it's not a simple click-click-click, goodbye thing. And I think, absent exigent circumstances, you have to wait 30 days to get them to really delete your account(s).

Individual tweets and facebook posts? AFAIK, as soon as you delete them, they disappear completely. Unless someone screencapped them before you delete.

Again, it's likely that all this public slut-shaming is doing is making the alleged victim and her friends and family less likely to settle this out of court.


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Wow. They said the girl voluntarily took Molly before going to the bar. That's not good for her case.


Although probably 25% of the people at a nightclub are on Molly I do agree that it doesn't look good for her case. Molly is a euphoric drug and will cause heightened sexual behaviors and desires. Doesn't mean you can't be raped if you are on Molly, but it sure does lend credence to the "consent" camp.



While peeps on Molly/MDMA become touchy/feely/huggy, molly/mdma makes many/most? people less interested in full-on intercourse. It takes a bit to get going, and sex is great on molly (tho finishing while on it can take forever, for both). but, in my experience, molly/mdma makes many wanna do everything but--until the comedown. but I think even that is different for girls vs guys. yayo's the fuck drug. molly's the hug drug. Image

It's also dosage dependent. Being on molly very quickly goes from being alert, heightened senses, happy to a stoned, dopey, out of it feeling if you take more than you should. And mixing molly with other CNS depressants (alcohol) would only amplify that effect. I don't get the popularity of molly. Give me an old school roll any day over molly. Unless you're going to pound red bull vodkas or rail lines with it, molly's too dopey at higher doses to be fun for long.


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Barry just said 60% of rapes don't get reported. Think about that for a second. How can that be confirmed. What barry should say is that 60% of people who say they were raped don't get reported. Want to know why it's that high? Cuz some of them that say they were raped know they wouldn't win the case cuz they are lying.


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So she gets raped and is in distress, and the very first thing she does is to delete her twitter and facebook accounts??? Something just aint right about that.

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So she gets raped and is in distress, and the very first thing she does is to delete her twitter and facebook accounts??? Something just aint right about that.


I think the timeline is she first called her family, then went to the hospital. I'm sure the hours she was at the hospital she had time to think about things. GOod thing she deleted her facebook/twitter. Her whole life would have been on display for every message board to dissect.


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I thought molly and roll were ecstasy.


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So she gets raped and is in distress, and the very first thing she does is to delete her twitter and facebook accounts??? Something just aint right about that.


I think the timeline is she first called her family, then went to the hospital. I'm sure the hours she was at the hospital she had time to think about things. GOod thing she deleted her facebook/twitter. Her whole life would have been on display for every message board to dissect.

Yeah god forbid her timeline was posted with something like " These Mollys are grrrrreeeaaaattt"'

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MY SOURCE, who would NEVER go Public with this, has said from day 1, he felt it was all too contrived.

He based nothing on the facts of the case, just the scenario, that he has been in before...and has kept things quiet. Eventually, things did spin out of control and all the work he did was for nothing...but he is an agent, he has seen this stuff before and his opinion from Day 1 was he felt it was a setup.

He then added, that you can say that publicly, because somehow that gets twisted into you are OK with rape in general.

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Ya know, if all of these rumors are true, I'm not paying her off. He'll win in court. I'll bet her old man lawyer knows it too. I have a feeling they're the ones pushing for a settlement cuz they know it's a loser. If he didn't do it, I go to court and then counter sue her for defamation of character or slander. Whatever it's called. In fact, I would file that suit now if I'm Kaner. Or maybe he has to wait until he's actually charged to do that.

I'll admit. I thought he did it. But with this new stuff (granted, rumors) I don't think he did.

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MY SOURCE, who would NEVER go Public with this, has said from day 1, he felt it was all too contrived.

He based nothing on the facts of the case, just the scenario, that he has been in before...and has kept things quiet. Eventually, things did spin out of control and all the work he did was for nothing...but he is an agent, he has seen this stuff before and his opinion from Day 1 was he felt it was a setup.

He then added, that you can say that publicly, because somehow that gets twisted into you are OK with rape in general.

Theres the rub. Theres a lot of gray in-between. Of course Lil Danny and the band of idiots don't want people to victim shame/ blame the accuser but its ok to essentially say Kane is a rapist without the facts.

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One thing I have thought from the moment this happened is that Social media will play a big part. I dont know how that is or not admitted into court, but everyone runs in a group of friends...and the truth is already out there somewhere.

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Molly/Rolls/Ecstasy/E/X/XTC/Beans/Disco Biscuits/candy....all just slang for MDMA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA

rolls typically are a cocktail of different drugs. usually with a low dose (50mg to 90 mg) of mdma (or mda, dopey-trippy, longer-lasting) combined with small amounts of other substances (usually some form
of speed) to make them ideal for electronic music events.

Molly should be the resultant powder from cooking up a batch of MDMA. It's changed a lot over the years. The pure, natural sassafras-based molly/mdma of the 1990's was a very different experience than
what you get from the molly of today. I believe the basement chemists cooking MDMA today start with different, non-scheduled precursors and then go through a multi-step process to get something close to
safrole before even beginning to synthesize the MDMA.

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin ... afrole.htm

LE has taken different approaches to attempting to control the production of mdma. First they scheduled the final product (MDMA). Then they criminalized possession of sassafras. Once people started synthesizing the necessary
precursors from readily available, non-controlled substances, LE criminalized the possession of chemisty sets--owning an unregistered round-bottom flask nowadays will likely net you a longer prison term than possession of the final product.

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One thing I have thought from the moment this happened is that Social media will play a big part. I dont know how that is or not admitted into court, but everyone runs in a group of friends...and the truth is already out there somewhere.


Unless someone had a camera in the room in which these events transpired, only Kaner and the girl know the truth.

Prosecutor's waiting on the rape kit report (more than the kit, there's a narrative element by the examining physician/nurse). A "rape kit" is a 4 to 6 hour process of examination and observation; it's not just let's swab some orifices and be on your way.

If the rape kit report comes back backing her story, the case becomes Kaner's word versus her word + the rape kit results/narrative/report. Plus Kaner's personal and arrest history aren't going to do him any favors if the case goes to trial.

Hard to see anyone in 2015 wriggling out of rape charge if the facts are as leaked and the rape kit backs up her story.

And the more people slut-shame her on social media and such, the more she'll feel compelled to go through with the prosecution and wait to get paid via a civil suit after the criminal case is complete.

kaner needs to put out the word to stop attacking her on social media/etc. it won't help him at all if the rape kit comes back backing her story and the prosecutor charges him with rape.


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With regard to "victim blaming", I think we've lost a little perspective. I certainly don't think a woman's clothes "invite" rape or that her actions- whatever they may be- mean she "deserved" it, just as I don't think a black dude who is- quite reasonably- frightened by an armored up cop and who runs during a traffic stop "deserves" to be shot. But I also don't think judging a person for a lack of common sense is "victim blaming". For example, I have every right to stand on the corner at two in the morning waving stacks of hundred dollar bills around. When some guy cracks me in the head and takes that money, it doesn't mean he isn't a criminal and it doesn't mean I deserved to be robbed, but I don't think you're an asshole for considering me a dumbass. In the same way, I don't think a woman who gets loaded and crawls into bed with Patrick Kane deserves to be penetrated by him if she decides she doesn't want to. And I don't think any action she may have taken absolves Kane of being a scumbag and a criminal. But I don't believe judging her actions up until that point should be some sort of overwhelming social taboo either.

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a lot of times my mentality goes with that, like "i'm not blaming you but i don't have any sympathy for you either". that mentality is now socially considered victim "shaming" and sexist/misogynist/hatemongering. i really don't give a shit about either of these people, and anyone who wants to dance with the devil in kane's pale blue light should know what they're getting into.


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Eh I'm sure Kane invites many drunken/high ex cheerleaders back to Brohaven for some after party snacks and backgammon.

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a lot of times my mentality goes with that, like "i'm not blaming you but i don't have any sympathy for you either". that mentality is now socially considered victim "shaming" and sexist/misogynist/hatemongering. i really don't give a shit about either of these people, and anyone who wants to dance with the devil in kane's pale blue light should know what they're getting into.


Yeah, and this may be a very subtle distinction, but I think real victim blaming is when the actions of the victim are used as justification for a perpetrator's bad actions.. For example, I see a lot of cops post shit on Facebook that says something like "Don't want to be shot? Don't run from the police." Naturally, I'm offended by that. It's a justification of criminal behavior by cops. But I do believe that running from a guy with a gun and a badge that gives him license to use it (and who is quite likely a tightly wound motherfucker) is goddamn dumb. Even though I agree with the basic principle, those cops are blaming the victim and I'm not.

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