If she's a victim, what is she a victim of? Ask Bernstein that.

Those are the calls Dan wants. He loves this.

How many times did you call in>?

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Yes, this is the whole scarecrow arguments; If they have a series of bad callers who want to either call the woman a liar or worry more about how this impacts the Blackhawks, that means Bernstein can say hockey fans are awful, the public is crazy and he's the one who must tell the truth.

Obviously, that's ridiculous. That's a false narrative.

Many times over the years, but it's been months since the last time I called. When I did, it was Tani that answered.

Which is staggering. I guess he's never been a plaintiff/witness that's been cross examined.

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"Mattress technology has come a long way"

- Dan Bernstein, 2016

How come they never vilify Kobe Bryant? He paid her off. I've actually heard Dan speak highly of him. I don't remember the shows they during his rape time but I'll bet you, back then, they probably questioned the girl's motives like the callers are doing for Kane's.

How exactly long does it take to charge someone with sexual assault? 8 days seems awfully long or are they bartering between a mil and a mil and a half

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I heard some lawyer on TV say that it's taken 6-8 months sometimes for sexual assault cases to be investigated. Which I don't get. So this isn't unusual. And they're gonna be extra careful cuz it's high profile.

Here's the reason why Kane hasn't denied anything. 1. He hasn't been chraged with anything. 2. It's only the Buffalo news that has said it's a rape allegation. All the cops have said is they're investigating an incident and Kane's house.

Yeah, he showed his ass and ignorance of the law again. He also said that the circumstances that lead up to the "incident" are immaterial.

Defense Counsel: Ms. X, isn't it true that you took the drug Molly and had consumed 6 shots of Fireball and 3 beers prior to going back to Mr. Kane's residence?

Prosecution: Objection, irrelevant!

Defense Counsel: He's right, question withdrawn.

Bernstein: See, I was right again.

Yeah, that's how it works.

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Franky ...still waiting for your rebuttal on that crazy coke whore you defended . Ya know ..the one who lost custody of her baby .

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One other thing he said that showed complete ignorance. It was just a dumb comment.

"Why would somebody go into the home with the plan of being raped?"

You fucking idiot. She's not going in with the plan of being raped if she's looking for money. She's going in for consensual sex and then claiming rape.

Man, when he goes for an agenda he says the dumbest things.

Rape?

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I never "defended" anyone. I simply pointed out that Kobe did more than "bang a crazy broad" as you put it. I shouldn't even engage, but what does anything she may have done 10 years after Kobe ass raped her have to do with anything? Maybe she turned to drugs to cope with the fact that she was ass raped by a NBA superstar who just moved on with his basketball career and is celebrated. Maybe she became a "a coke whore" because she is called a "coke whore" by assholes like you? I dunno....what do you want me to say? You're a retard? OK, I'll say it, you're a retard.

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Just go with they're all whores. It helps some of the assholes here sleep at night. I'm sure if any of them have daughters that were assaulted they would immediately tell them it's their fault for that one time they did something unsavory either before or after the rape.

My guy tells me rapists don't bite or hit the victims. They just ask them to lie back and enjoy it. - Bobby K

I'll add this to the discussion. And I'm not speaking specifically about the Kane case and I'm not "victim blaming" either. But it seems to me that the only situation involving a person who was drunk where it's an absolute taboo to question the credibility of the drunken person is when a woman who was admittedly inebriated relates the "facts" of a such an encounter.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

low T possessing m-fers

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

there was a situation at school years ago when a girl got drunk went to a party and in front of witness whored it up with a dude and they banged in a bedroom right next to the living room. Well she filed rape charges and went through the whole rigamorole the next day. her friends, everyone at the party was like that was consenual based on everything we heard. no charges were filed and she like tried to kill herself a few times because she truly believed she was raped….it was weird..

I certainly had one night wherein I would have regretted the act. She was really forcing it. Luckily, my buddy Dick Whiskey was in town that night.

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That's a sad story. A person's feelings are their feelings, but that doesn't make those feelings reality. I will note that you mentioned the woman "whoring it up" and not the man. Her feelings may be based upon those concepts, and rightfully so. If I were to say I was a tiger born in a man's body, nobody would take me seriously. I would just be some crackpot to be ridiculed. But a man can say he's actually a woman and instead of sending him to the nuthouse, we indulge him with ethically questionable surgeries and television shows. And I think appointing drunken men as the guardians of drunken women denies agency to women and is nothing more than an endorsement of the patriarchy those same women are trying to destroy in every other instance.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I hear he's a real softie.

You ass. I laughed.

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Rape is one thing. Biting is quite another. No one goes anywhere thinking that they are going to be bitten.

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You've never run across the field behind my house when Fido the Standard Poodle is running around out there off leash.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Mods, please review.

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re: the show

as I ran some errands on the way home last night I switched it over to B&B a number of times during that hour and a half and not once were they talking about anything but this rape story. how can you talk about this story with almost no information for 5 hours. no other show on the score is and nobody else nationally.

Is anyone else skeptical at the # of people victim blaming? I feel like this is manufactured outrage but I have no proof to back it up. Its like danny has something to get off his chest and if it’s a few people, he's got to keep it to himself. if EVERYONE is doing it than he can rant and rave about it. so they have to make it seem that that is the case.

It really was a sad story and I don’t disagree with you.

Its one of the poxes on alcohol and one I will expound upon when my 3 little girls are old enough to talk about it. willfully putting yourself in a state of impairment is a decision you have to make on your own. You are not doing anything necessarily wrong in doing so. It IS your right as long as it doesn't infringe on others. That being said, understand what may happen. We should all be able to make decisions without worrying about someone taking advanatage of those decisions. We SHOULD. but that’s not reality.

If you can read this without vomiting you are a better man than I....

By Dan Bernstein

CBS Chicago Senior Columnist

None of this is easy, talking about the investigation of Blackhawks star Patrick Kane in suburban Buffalo stemming from a woman’s accusations of rape. We have few details, and much noise. For those of us paid to have strong opinions about big sports stories as we discuss and analyze them in depth and at length, it’s an especially delicate challenge to be as fair as possible while still doing the job.

One thing we must continue to do is remain mindful of what this is about primarily, and then what comes after that.

As reported by the Buffalo News, the accuser alleges that Kane “followed her, overpowered her and raped her” in his home. She left, called relatives, went to a hospital for examination and the administration of a forensic rape kit, and then police were contacted. Investigators were seen gathering evidence in Kane’s home later that day. He has yet to be charged with a crime.

Either Patrick Kane committed a violent crime or he did not. Everything else is secondary. Forcible rape is a first-degree, Class B felony per the New York penal code that carries a sentence of 5 to 25 years of imprisonment.

As stark and serious as this is, too many commentators – particularly those in the sports subcategory – are softening the edges of the story by treating this as just another case of Kane’s noted recklessness and immaturity, viewing this through the prism of his previous indiscretions in a way that furthers a more comfortable, understandable narrative of “Kaner gone wild” that misses the point.

David Haugh of the Chicago Tribune, for example, introduces the possibility that “Kane needs to avoid putting himself in predicaments that scream trouble.” We get what Haugh is saying, as he tries to place this latest incident in context for the purposes of a column about what the team should do with him, but what’s at issue is not a “predicament” – it’s an allegation of a specific crime that’s entirely independent of the other behaviors involved. There is nothing illegal about a 26-year old drinking heavily, or inviting women back to his house, or having sex.

To conflate Kane’s history with the current case is largely a distraction. He may well have lifestyle issues that are of concern to the Blackhawks and the NHL (in fact I have little doubt he does, indeed), but that is a separate story.

This is Mark Whicker of the Los Angeles Daily News, from a column titled “Patrick Kane just another athlete whose partying may have led to worse”: “We go back to the same unspoken problem. It is alcohol, and the way we pretend drinking is actually innocent behavior…Patrick Kane needs more time to contemplate his habits than an off-season can provide.”

First, the writer of the headline gives us the misguided assumption of causality. To say partying leads to alleged rape makes no more sense than saying walking home at night after work does, or going to one’s car in a darkened garage. The crime is its own thing, with potential to occur in any unfortunate number of situations. Then Whicker slides the concern to drinking, and “habits.” Again, there is a perfectly valid discussion to be had about this aspect of Kane’s life, but an alleged attack on a woman is not a “habit.”

Rick Telander of the Chicago Sun Times wrote “In the past, the things that have infuriated Blackhawks management the most have involved Kane and drinking….Have any of Kane’s off-ice issues occurred when he hadn’t been drinking?”

This allegation is not merely another off-ice issue, however. It’s not Corey Crawford hurting himself at a concert, or Kane stumbling around a college party. And the drinking is not what matters right now, nor is what happened previously, in the face of a potential rape charge.

The legal question regarding Patrick Kane is not whether or not he continues to have behavioral problems that his bosses need to address, but whether or not the evidence will lead to authorities arresting him for committing a felony, a crime of violence and power.

It really has nothing to do with the past.