It's pretty simple. We cannot look into someone's heart and know whether they are "truly remorseful" or whether they're just sorry they got caught. So we put them where they belong. When you fuck a baby or murder someone there's no matter whether you're sorry later or not. You pay for it.

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Seacrest: what is worse, a child molester or a gay guy?

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An absolutely awesome story about Tim McVeigh.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rel ... 5061/posts

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Fascinating.

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No one is saying that you shouldn't pay for it.

However, read the story of the man that tried to rape, and eventually murdered Maria Goretti when she resisted. Read the story about Tim McVeigh..

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Not sure what you mean.

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I did read it. You wouldn't like what I think of that.

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I don't have to like what you think in order to listen to what you have to say.

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I can't speak for him but I think Seacrest talks of God's forgiveness/redemption not us. Sure some people might forgive or not. But if you truly are sorry in your soul the St. Pete lets you in. I cannot vouch for this as an adulterer and murderer.

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Word. OK then. So, I would have to say that a religion that offers redemption to a mass murderer of innocents isn't something that I'd want to be a part of.
That's something that always bothered me about some of the born again's I know. The couple that I've dealt with are by far the must judgmental bastards I've ever met. But almost by definition in order to be a born again you have had to have been a douchebag at one time or another. I ever relate to you the story of the broad that told me I was hellbound for reading "The Divinci Code"?

You can't tell me that a moment before Hitler died he just says gee you know what this was a really bad idea... what was I THINKING! and you still get absolution. Even if he really, really meant it. I don't buy it. I can't. Because if there really is a God, and I truly do believe there is (though I would wager you doubt I do), I can't see him buying that. Or saying it's ok.

But I also believe that we're Gods children. I don't have kids. So I say this with that caveat. But I can't imagine not loving my kid if she was gay. I can't really imagine it being much of an issue... that's not to say I wouldn't be disappointed. I probably would be. That doesn't fit MY plan. But what ever does? When was the last time MY PLAN made the slightest matter of fuck all?

I've told my dad I hate him. I bet we all have. But he still loves me. He knows what's really up in my heart. I don't buy for one minute that he would want me to suffer for all eternity the worst kind of pain and misery if I did something he thought didn't fit his PLAN. If I goofed. If I wasn't sorry for telling him I hate him. Because if I hated him, he still loves me.

But if I murdered hundreds of innocents... I could see him not wanting to just forgive me for that. No matter how sorry I was.
When I was young my dad taught me in a unique way that some things cannot just be taken back. It's a lesson I won't ever forget. Murder of innocents is something you just can't take back. Because you've done more than just fuck up your own life. If I say a bad word or fuck a dude that's my life, that's literally not hurting anyone other than myself, but ending someone's life or several hundred others' lives... that cannot be as easily forgiven as a drunken blowjob or multiple divorces, lies and children out of wedlock.

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I was addressing your post.

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In short, God forgave those that murdered his Son.

Look, I understand the struggle you have. It's a deal that is too good to be true. But yet it is true.

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You meant wasn't?

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No.

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Did he? Or did man say that he did? We don't really know. We're just told he did.

And something that's always, without fail, been true our lives has been if it's too good to be true it is.

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You have to admit, it wouldn't be like most men to forgive our killers, or say that we had to always love one another.

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Oh well I have no idea what you mean. Night.

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Agreed. But that doesn't make it any more believable.

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OK bye!

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from what you've told me: lakemoor =P

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what's his DBAR?

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Are you saying defending Kim Davis is the right thing? Plenty of good people are used as a tool of hatred and bigotry under the cloak of religion. If Kim Davis was instead refusing to grant women the right to purchase property(also in the Bible as much as a ban on gay marriage) would you think the same thing? If Kim Davis were a police officer who was refusing to arrest men who beat their children with a rod would you think the same thing?
There are numerous examples in history of just how dangerous this is. Seacrest would have been fighting against women and minorities if he were born 50 years earlier based on "Gods teachings" and I doubt we'd shrug it off as just some guy who has beliefs.

It is sad really because Seacrest seems to be a smart and thoughtful guy and that goes right out the window with anything having to do with "religious freedom". He understands the Supremacy Clause. He understands that the first amendment doesn't gaurantee your religious rights OVER another persons. He chooses to be intentionally ignorant about it because he is mad that gay marriage is legal in the United States and he feels that he is persecuted because others can get married that don't fit in with his world view as he is told by a book written 2000 years ago.

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So you stopped by to intentionally misstate my position? Or just to prove once again that you don't understand it?

"The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that “the government may accommodate religious practices without violating the Establishment Clause."

From the original thread...



And on Monday, the government saw the wisdom of this, respected her conscience rights under the Establishment Clause, and took her name off of the license.

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Are there religions that forbid mixed race marriages?


Could a person claim religious freedom on that as well?

This... will not be answered.

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This didn't really change anything I said.

The "accommodation" also sucks because now gay people get a different license. You a big fan of seperate but equal?

Also, please link the comment where I said fair enough, because I'm pretty sure that was sarcastic and you took out the non-sarcastic part.

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