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Final plot twist is after the Kane a acquittal, her father goes Samuel l Jackson a time to kill on kaner and hockey racist everywhere are put on trail through the sharp tongue of matthew mcconaughey


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Being the county and local PD are claiming that the evidence is still sealed and hasn't left the building, where the hell does this story go now?


Obviously the bag found at the door has to be compared to the bag that they say is the original. And a private investigator has to do it. Maybe it is a bogus bag at the door. I'm sure they could figure that out.

Actually, there might be finger prints on that bag at the door. Or maybe DNA of people who handled it. If it's prints of the nurse that did the rape kit, then the cops are in trouble.


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Being the county and local PD are claiming that the evidence is still sealed and hasn't left the building, where the hell does this story go now?


Roger Goodell is going to suspend Tom Brady 8 games for this.

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Obviously the bag found at the door has to be compared to the bag that they say is the original. And a private investigator has to do it.


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Northside_Dan wrote:
Being the county and local PD are claiming that the evidence is still sealed and hasn't left the building, where the hell does this story go now?


Roger Goodell is going to suspend Tom Brady 8 games for this.


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Either her lawyer or the PD/County is brazenly lying here. This is so fung to follow.

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I know one thing. If nothing is done and the statement by the police of "everything is fine" is just accepted, her lawyer will be back screaming at another press conference in a few days. He'll be demanding that the FBI come to investigate.


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I have a hard time believing that.

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Being the county and local PD are claiming that the evidence is still sealed and hasn't left the building, where the hell does this story go now?


It will be adjudicated by Herb Lawrence, three commenters from Jezebel, and the guy who played Newman.


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You know what's gonna happen over the next few hours. Both sides will be leaking stories to reporters about the bags and their theories on what went down.


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Northside_Dan wrote:
Being the county and local PD are claiming that the evidence is still sealed and hasn't left the building, where the hell does this story go now?


Roger Goodell is going to suspend Tom Brady 8 games for this.


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So either Patrick Kane is a criminal mastermind the likes of which we haven't seen since Tonya Harding and Jeff Gilooly, or this lawyer is a buffoon on par with Mike Nifong.

Is that about where we are?


So looks like it's option 2.

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At the very least, if that bag at the door was a bogus bag, shouldn't the cops be investigating that as it's now part of the larger case. Who left it there and why? What was the message? Was it a threat? So shouldn't the cops be asking her lawyer for the bag so they can maybe get prints?

But then the lawyer will say "I'm not giving it to them cuz they'll destroy it. This is evidence of tampering and I'm only gonna give it to outside investigators."

This thing is insane.


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haven't seen much commentary asking if this had anything to do with the last minute Grand Jury postponement.

In a regular trial, evidence usually gets entered at the time a witness relevant to the evidence testifies. You can conditionally enter items up front but must eventually have a witness to validate the evidence.

So in a regular trial, if the first witness had nothing to do with the rape kit, no *need* to have the rape kit in court for that witness. Tho usually good attorneys will have a probitive piece of evidence like a rape kit in the courtroom and in front of the jury's eyes as much as possible. i think i'd keep the rape kit out of sight until it was ready to be entered with the relevant witnesses and then leave it out in front of the jury for the rest of the proceedings--once the jury's aware of its meaning/significance.

Grand Juries might be different; they might introduce all the exhibits into evidence up front. Get em all labeled and on the record and then it doesn't break the flow of their presentation to have to constantly be introducing new items into evidence, getting an exhibit number etc.

I can see some flunkie jr prosecutor from the DA's office tasked with fetching the rape kit from evidence and not finding it there running back to the courtroom to whisper in the DA's ear that the rape kit's MIA and so the DA shuts down the Grand Jury proceeding to figure out what the hell happened.


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We spoke with SI.com’s legal expert Michael McCann to get his thoughts on Wednesday’s bombshell revelation that key evidence in the sexual assault investigation of Chicago Blackhawks star Patrick Kane had been tampered with and that packaging from the rape kit had been left in the doorway of the alleged victim’s mother’s home.

Here’s McCann’s insight into how this could impact the ongoing investigation and what could happen next:

SI.com: What do these developments mean to the case against Kane? How does the case proceed after this? In fact, can it proceed?

Michael McCann: This is a significant development on at least four levels.

First, assuming the [packaging] sent to the mom of the accuser is in fact genuine, it [suggests] tainted evidence. Should the case go to trial, the rape kit can still be deemed admissible but the judge would warn jurors that it may have been contaminated by tampering. Jurors would then be instructed that they can consider possible tampering in how much weight they assign to this evidence. Published reports indicate the kit does not establish that Kane committed rape. If true, it could serve as evidence that helps to exonerate him. This development, however, means jurors may assign less weight to the kit and that would work against Kane.

Second, Kane’s attorney, Paul Cambria, will likely now demand that the investigation into his client be dropped. For starters, he has already told media that a tampered kit would prevent him and his expert witnesses from independently testing it. This raises a procedural question of fairness and could convince prosecutors to drop the case. If Kane is later convicted of a crime, Cambria would also have a stronger argument for an appeal because he would claim that jurors were misled by faulty evidence.



More generally, Cambria can now argue that the investigation has been compromised by unlawful and unethical conduct by those who are entrusted with crucial pieces of evidence and thus any evidence can be doubted. If prosecutors ultimately charge Kane with a crime, Cambria would consistently remind jurors that evidence, while under the watch of Hamburg (NY) Police Chief Gregory G. Wickett and Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III, fell into the hands of the accuser’s mother. Cambria would thus try to discredit the entire case.

Third, local and county officials may not be capable of conducting a sufficiently impartial investigation of how the [packaging] was sent. As a result, it would now be appropriate for New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman to launch an investigation into how the [packaging] could have been sent to the accuser’s mother.

Every person who had custody of the kit would likely be interviewed in an investigation. All records, including e-mails and texts, related to the whereabouts of the kit at all times would also be considered. Criminal charges for obstruction of justice, tampering and conspiracy could be brought against those who were involved in the unlawful release of the [material] and its transportation to the home of the accuser’s mother. It is thus possible that Kane avoids any criminal charges while those involved in the investigation of him could themselves be charged.

Fourth, the accuser’s mother could civilly sue persons who are found to have been involved with the plot to send the [packaging] to her. The most likely claim would be intentional infliction of emotional distress, which concerns conduct that is extreme and outrageous and causes severe psychological suffering. A general negligence claim concerning the duties of those persons could also be raised.
One potential challenge in a civil lawsuit is the doctrine of sovereign immunity, which is a powerful defense for government officials since it means they can only be sued for certain claims if they agree to be sued. This doctrine, however, has been limited by court rulings and does not apply to all types of civil claims.

SI.com: This seems like an unprecedented breach of protocol. Have you ever heard of anything happening like this before? What scenario could have led to this?

McCann: I have never heard of [something like this] being sent to the parents of an accuser. It is a heinous act by a disgusting person or persons. I hope the culprits are identified and face the legal consequences I described above.

There are different kinds of scenarios that might have led to this happening. They depend on which government worker had custody of the [material] at the time it was sent to the mother of the accuser. Was it stolen from the worker who had custody, or did the worker himself or herself send it? These are questions that will be answered as part of a governmental investigation. As I argued above, any investigation should probably be conducted by state officials, such as the New York Attorney General, rather than by local or county officials who may have had oversight over the government officials who are responsible for the release.

SI.com: What does this say about the integrity of the local police and their ability to move forward with the investigation?

McCann: It raises serious questions about the integrity of the local police department, but before assigning blame, it is important to know who had custody of the kit when it was taken. It could be a health care professional who had custody or a law enforcement official from another agency. An investigation will be needed to identify the culprit or culprits.

UDPATE: Shortly after this story went live, Erie County (NY) police issued a statement contradicting the claims of the accuser's attorney and confirming that they remained in possession of the rape kit and the original packaging. McCann had this to say in reaction to the latest development:

"I think this makes it even more likely New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman steps in to investigate. Someone is lying. This confusion also taints the case and makes it less likely that Kane will ever be charged. I would also find it surprising if the accuser's attorney, Thomas Eoanno, did not first check with the authorities about this alleged evidence before going to the media, since he would damage his client's case and risk sanction by the state bar if the materials received by the accuser's mother turn out to be fabricated evidence."

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I am bothered by this.

I want people talking tomorrow. Somebody at the PD and Crime Lab have to provide answers. Maybe they're figuring out their story tonight.


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I am bothered by this.


Doth protest too much. Another entry for the Beardown-is-Bernstein file.

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I am bothered by this.


Doth protest too much. Another entry for the Beardown-is-Bernstein file.


You aren't bothered by it? The lack of answers for whatever the hell this was today.


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I can't figure out what happened. It does change things for me and I don't want to root for him. I don't get why so many seemingly want him to be guilty though. It's weird.


Bernstein's narrative is that women never lie about this. That it either never goes to trial because of a settlement or it goes to trial and they can't prove it. Or they don't go to trial because the prosecutor doesn't think he can prove it or the victim doesn't want to go through a trial.

While I don't think most rape accusers are liars, I do think it happens (I know this thinking makes me pro rape in Bernstein's mind. Or a "Fan Boy". But he just says shit like this to make up for being a proven sexist. Wants to get women back on his side. That's his agenda). And it obviously would be more likely when the accused has a lot of money.

I initially thought he did it. Now not so sure. But then again, I don't know what to believe from all of these reports. I don't know what's accurate and what's being leaked from each camp to make their client look good. We'll never know.


Bernstein probably also believes that 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted on college campuses.


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Beardown wrote:
I am bothered by this.

I want people talking tomorrow. Somebody at the PD and Crime Lab have to provide answers. Maybe they're figuring out their story tonight.



Didn't they already say all the evidence is still intact and in its original containers?

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I can't figure out what happened. It does change things for me and I don't want to root for him. I don't get why so many seemingly want him to be guilty though. It's weird.


Bernstein's narrative is that women never lie about this. That it either never goes to trial because of a settlement or it goes to trial and they can't prove it. Or they don't go to trial because the prosecutor doesn't think he can prove it or the victim doesn't want to go through a trial.

While I don't think most rape accusers are liars, I do think it happens (I know this thinking makes me pro rape in Bernstein's mind. Or a "Fan Boy". But he just says shit like this to make up for being a proven sexist. Wants to get women back on his side. That's his agenda). And it obviously would be more likely when the accused has a lot of money.

I initially thought he did it. Now not so sure. But then again, I don't know what to believe from all of these reports. I don't know what's accurate and what's being leaked from each camp to make their client look good. We'll never know.


That's the issue; too many "reporters" are passing judgments and making ridiculous statements without having the facts. That's irresponsible.


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I am bothered by this.

I want people talking tomorrow. Somebody at the PD and Crime Lab have to provide answers. Maybe they're figuring out their story tonight.



Didn't they already say all the evidence is still intact and in its original containers?


Yes. That's what they say. But somebody has to answer for how this other bag got to the door. With a printed label of the victims name. And a label of the nurse that did the test. Somebody printed out those labels. If they have the original bag it was more than somebody finding it in the garbage. It was an inside job to produce this 2nd bag. Somebody had to print those labels from the lab. Unless that's a lie. And they don't have the original bag. Could be what they say is the original bag is not.

And if it is a bogus bag at the door, what's the reason for it being there. Why would somebody do that?


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I can't figure out what happened. It does change things for me and I don't want to root for him. I don't get why so many seemingly want him to be guilty though. It's weird.


Bernstein's narrative is that women never lie about this. That it either never goes to trial because of a settlement or it goes to trial and they can't prove it. Or they don't go to trial because the prosecutor doesn't think he can prove it or the victim doesn't want to go through a trial.

While I don't think most rape accusers are liars, I do think it happens (I know this thinking makes me pro rape in Bernstein's mind. Or a "Fan Boy". But he just says shit like this to make up for being a proven sexist. Wants to get women back on his side. That's his agenda). And it obviously would be more likely when the accused has a lot of money.

I initially thought he did it. Now not so sure. But then again, I don't know what to believe from all of these reports. I don't know what's accurate and what's being leaked from each camp to make their client look good. We'll never know.


Bernstein probably also believes that 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted on college campuses.


That number is definitely too low if we go by the true definition of sexual assault.

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I'm just saying, as far as their statement goes, interesting they didn't say "We don't know what or where the bag found at her door came from."

They just said they had the original bag.


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It's safe to say that multiple men had unprotected sex with her that night and that Kane bit her at some point. Maybe he didn't penetrate her but some shit went down in his house.


Was it ever confirmed that it was Kane that bit her?


Everyone is only relating the bite mark in terms of a sexual contact. How about he did it in doing a body shot off of her? As he was biting down on the lime/lemon she dug her nail into him explaining the DNA in both spots

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I just listened to the presser again. The lawyer said the initials of the nurse that performed the test were on the bag found at the door. I'm assuming it was hand written. So if they can verify that it's her writing, as she probably initials a lot of these kits, then that's pretty damning. Plus they can compare those initials to those on the bag that they claim is the original. She, herself, can say "Those are mine, those aren't." As I'm also assuming this nurse wasn't in on the tampering.


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Then again, I guess it would be pretty simple to trace somebody's initials. But, if the trace is exactly identical, that's the smoking gun. Because nobody can write their initials exactly identical!!!!! There would be some difference.

Boom!!!! I got it. That's how they're gonna bring down the cops or crime lab!!!! The exactly identical written initials of the nurse on the 2 bags!!!!

Solved it.


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More Chicago TV graphic problems.

http://sportsmockery.com/2015/09/photo-according-to-abc-7-patrick-kane-is-getting-a-life-sentence/

These things can't be accidents. These graphic guys are getting high or boozing it up when they input the words and graphics. This is like 3 or 4 in Chicago TV over the last few months.

Makes you wonder if the graphic guys at 2,5,7,9 and 12 have bets with each other over who can top whom.


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