OK for all you guys bitching about this move:
1) Were you happy going into the season with Uribe at SS?
2) what exactly did you expect in return for Garland?

Why don't you wait to see what they get for Uribe before you jump off the ledge. His 20hr's & solid defense have value out on the market.

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Damn I think bigfan was probably right about the ineptitude of KW. I guess I really was blinded by the rings. Since then, very few of his trades seem to have made sense. Garland was one of a handful of players I had faith in going into the 2008 season.

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Ooribe's defense was anything but "solid" last year

im fine with trading garland. but, how about for something the sox need-- like a CF or bullpen help. yes, cabrera is a better SS than ooribe, but he is no spring chicken anymore and the sox just picked up ooribe's option like 10 days ago! as it stands today, that signing along with this trade makes zero sense. if cabrera or ooribe get moved before spring training, then ok ill feel better about the trade. but as it stands right now, its not just a bad move, but a dumb one as well.


FF, rings?? was i in a coma for a season somewhere along the line?

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I think he means everyone on the team got one

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1) No, I was not, but I had accepted it.
2) I was expecting 2 young players in return, guys who would probably be ready for the majors, no specific position, possibly another arm for the bullpen.

I question that there is a market for Uribe - his defense declined last season and his statistics, while on the surface not bad, came from monster hot streaks, and he wasn't anywhere near consistent until September when he got his numbers up some.

I'm not necessarily upset with getting Cabrera back - he's an upgrade over Uribe, and is entering his contract year. My issue is that I find the team with a very questionable starting rotation. I don't know that this team is better than the 72 win team that ended the year now that we have a 3) Contreras 4) Denks 5) Floyd in our rotation. Kenny had better be looking to seriously upgrade the offense with those guys in the rotation because I think at least 2 of them will have ERA of 5.00+.

As far as Cabrera, he should give the White Sox more speed in their lineup, which was something they desperately needed as well as a #2 hitter.

Like I said, I hope they can find someone who take Uribe's entire $4.5 million contract, and I hope we got $2-$3 million from the Angels because if all hold true, the other benefit to this deal would be up to $10 million in savings on the payroll.

Uribe's 2007 fielding percentage of .976 was 2nd in the AL to Cabrera's .983 and was only .001 down from his 2006 & 2005 level of .977.
Also, back in 2004 Uribe's fielding percentage while playing 2nd (77 games) was .984, but that was about 35lb's ago.

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As a Cubs fan, I like this trade .

But seriously, it doesn't make much sense to me either. Cabrera is a pretty good player, but I would have thought they would have gone the prospect route in trading Garland.

Sure you do.
You're now further removed from any Karchner references.

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“Mmmm. Move over, eggs. Bacon just got a new best friend - fudge.”

The numbers are different than what I saw with this guy. I don't know if his range declined or not with his increased weight, but I thought his defense was on the decline last season.

Well, thank god he saved that $200,000 on the Uribe deal he signed 12 days ago.

I am not going to totally fire on kenny until he is done dealing, but I can say right now he has more minuses than pluses.

I do question why The Angels got rid of one of the 'best SS's in the Game" per Kenny.

Then you really have to wonder, if The Angels get Tejada at SS, why couldn't the Sox?

What if the Angels get Tejada for Garland?

I am holding back, but loading the guns.

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Cabrera is going to add an element to the Sox offense they have lacked since Iguchi's rookie year in '05. A #2 hitter that will keep the line moving and isn't afraid to get a big hit.

I always have mixed emotions when the Sox get rid of one of my favorite players but if they can sign Cabrera and trade Uribe I think I'm going to like this move.

Garland was going to hold them up at the end of this season. There was going to be no home-team discount. At this point, I don't think he's worth Z, Zito money.
I'm happy that they got quality player for Garland. He fills a need at SS and also at the No. 2 spot.
I don't think it's wise to criticize this trade just hours after it went down. Wait to see if Kenny does anything else.
If nothing else changes on this roster before the season starts, I can understand the anger.

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Listening to B/B some today, Bernstein made a point that he believes the White Sox made this trade to win now.

Any idea what that means considering that the White Sox just traded one of their dependable pitchers to make this trade ?

I'm scratching my head on this one. Other deals will be have to be made to make me feel better about that statement.

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I don't think I'm misstating him at all, and I think he said that a few times.

I'm sure someone else can probably confirm that he said that, I'm just lost at what that means.

shooting fish in a barrel by now?

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I think Torri Hunter is next domino to fall here - they would really have some good defense up the middle of the field with him in CF and Cabrera at SS.

Of course, they're going to need a great defense with that starting staff.

BD, I wasn't challenging what you thought you heard.
His comment doesn't make much sense.

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I know you weren't, just wanted to make sure I got it right what he said, and hoping somebody can confirm.

I like the trade. The one thing the Sox think they have is a couple of good young pitchers. So they are gonna give 2 kids a shot. 2 kids who don't make any money. Can Gio, Denks and/or Floyd be good? I have no idea. I've heard great things about Gio.

But guys, if we sign Hunter, look at our line up. It's pretty damn good. Plus if we keep Crede, we'll have 3 gold glove type guys on defense - Hunter, Crede and Cabrera.

They'll be cheap on the back end of the rotation cuz they have to keep pay roll down some where. But look at what we'll be paying 7 guys in the line up. A shit load of money. Fields and Richar will be making nothing. But Fields is good.

I still don't know who's gonna lead off. I think Crede might be traded for that guy. If not, maybe Konerko will be traded and Fields goes to 1st. Cabrera and Hunter aren't lead off guys.

So we'll be looking for that lead off guy in left in a trade maybe. Then Fields goes to 1st or 3rd depending on if it's Konerko or Crede that we trade.

If we are playing to win NOW, then we keep our #2 pitcher.

Reliance on Floyd, Contreras and Denk is NOT going to get this done, because the odds of all 3 getting it done are so remote, it is a pipe dream.

Which Pitchers do you want?

I think we forgot how we won a Word Series! PITCHING!

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I get your point. But you probably said before the 2005 season "Why the fuck are the Sox going with Garland? He's young and he sucks."

You also would have said before the 2005 season "Why the fuck did the Sox get Contreras. He's old and he sucked with the Yankees."

You also would have said last year "Why did the Sox sign Vasquez to a 3 year contract. He's not old, nor is he young, but he sucks." He went on to be a top 10 pitcher in the AL. Didn't have 18 - 20 wins cuz the Sox didn't score for him.

Just keep that in mind.

I find it surprising that Lance Broadway's name has not come up more often, if at all, to usurp the 5th starter's spot. Granted it was only one start during garbage time of the season, but I liked what I saw out of him a lot with the exception of the fist pumping.

And it's official now, I was in attendance at Jon Garland's last game with the White Sox, a complete game 3 hit shutout.

Button 48.

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You're right. I forgot about Broadway. There is another guy. Plus, one of these guys who doesn't get to start will be in the bullpen. Hell, maybe 2 of these young guys.

In all reality, I am not that concerned with our pitching staff (with the possible exception of Jose Contreras), especially with the potential that we are showcasing at that position. The major problem I have is that the rest of our damn team doesn't match that "young" mindset. Our hitters are getting older, and a lot of times that is by choice due to the trades KW is making.

By the way, look for Pods to be signed on again to fill the leadoff spot.

I hope you're wrong on Pods.
It's time to cut that cord.

If the Hunter signing doesn't happen, and it looks like Texas will overpay for him, I'd be OK with Lofton in CF & leadoff for the year.
He'd come fairly cheap for a one year deal and give you a chance to see if Owens is the real deal. Out of the available FA list, he's the last decent leadoff hitter.

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Bad trade. Trade a 200 inning pitcher, who has won almost 50 games the past three seasons for a 33 year old SS who at the most, has had 3 good seasons out of 11.

This is bascailly a salary dump, because the Sox didnt want to pay Garland, more then likely because he wouldnt give the old home team discount, which had to put him in the doghouse of KW and JR.

This trade is going to bite the White Soxs in the ass, bank on it.

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LA Angels IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Garland (W, 1-0) 8.0 6 1 1 1 0 0 1.13


AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Cabrera, SS 4 2 1 0 1 1 4 .250

Nice outing for Garland.

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Very nice outing, but he won't be that good. He'll finish with his usual numbers, but possibly a few more wins.

Agreed and soon sox fans will be hoping he gets hurt or be happy if he does, just like they did with Brandon Mccarthy. Bad trade, for sure when they dont resign cabera

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