Waddle said that he's cheering for Favre and QB because their putting together a cinderella season in the twilight of his career.

What's your take on that?

I say scr3w that! I hope GB loses every game and misses the playoffs. Even if they make the SB, I can rest assured that the Pats will crush GB far worse then the Bears lost to Indy.

I agree with Waddle. Obviously Im really biased here, but if you cant root for the Packers and Favre(especially when the Bears get eliminated officially) you must not appreciate great sports stories. This is a truly remarkable season for the gray haired geezer.

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I disagree. Just because my team isn't winning I am not going to root for my competitor. Bad business.

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I kinda agree with Waddle. I mean, I hate to see GB do well, but at the same time, I thought it was shitty how so many people were ready to consign one of the greatest QBs of our time to the dustbin of history. I hate GB, but Favre is a man's man, a rare talent, and seems to be a pretty good guy; though the Packers are regrettably successful this season, I do take solace in seeing Favre succeed.

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If it meant Favre was going to retire at the end of the year, I'd cheer for him because I can't wait to see GB after 4 retires.

Pssh. You just know they'll be like Dallas and find some diamond in the rough QB, as the Bears endure a Cub-like streak of shitty play at QB.

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Since Chicago is out of it I'd like to see Favre in the Superbowl this year.

Craig Nall is coming back?!? SWEET

I'm not going to justify or try to understand any of the following. I'm a huge Bears fan and always have been. I am enjoying the Packers' success this year and will likely cheer for them through the playoffs. I've never had good reason to hate them aside from the whole Mc Mahon getting body slammed in the 80's crap and that was just one guy. They're a good team with a hell of a lot more likable players and coaches than "my" Bears right now. I can count on 1 hand the people I really like on the Bears and that's a sad state of affairs. This isn't just because they're losing now, I said the same thing on this board last year when they could do no wrong in this city. Go Packers. I don't feel bad about it.

Two things that will always unite Bears and Packers fans:

1) Admiration and respect of Brett Favre.
2) Hatred of the Vikings.

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So I should root for the Packers because they have an old QB who was good, then was bad, and now is good again?

I just don't see what is so special about a future hall of fame QB not sucking for the first time in a while. Farve already won a title, so this isn't like John Elway.

My first choice would be Drew Brees to win a title, but that is because of my Purdue bias and the fact that he will go down as my favorite QB of all time just for what he did at Purdue. My second choice would be Tony Romo. He's a better story than Farve and hasn't won a title yet(undrafted free agent coming out of no where to be one of the top 10 QB's in the league).

I respect what Brett Farve was able to accomplish but I think this is a fabricated great story. Hall of Fame QB's are supposed to perform that way until they retire or have a catastrophic injury. The fact that he didn't for a few years is not a positive thing.

Good Luck to Farve and if he makes it to the Super Bowl then it becomes a great story but until then it's pretty much all media hype.

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I think it is a great story. Very few 38 year old QB's have had the year that he has had.

I only hate the packers when they play the Bears or I need Packers losses for the Bears to win the division. Otherwise, I like Farve. Don't know why. I just do. He seems like a down to earth decent guy.

Packers are winning this division. Bears can't win the division.

I'll say this, I'll root for them in the playoffs. I dislike the Cowboys more then the Pack. I hate the Giants. Those are likely Packer playoffs opponents.

Other NFC teams I don't have any feeling for so I'll root for the Packers cuz I like Favre.

But you know what? Other than Bears games, I've probably have watched Packer games the most throughout the years. Most of my life has been with Favre at QB. They're the games we get on Sundays the most when the Bears aren't on. Plus they always have had a handful of prime time games since Favre has been there. I'm not a fan of the Packers - never will be. But I like Favre and wouldn't mind if they won the SB cuz the Bears can't.

It's really that simple. I'll bet once Favre is gone I won't have this feeling for the Pack. It will be indifference like it is for most other NFL teams.

Although, I think I will always hate the Giants and Cowboys no matter if they have a down to earth, decent QB. I don't think I can explain why. I just have disdain for those two teams.

I won't root for the Packers, but I won't necessarily root against them either. I like Favre and respected the way the Packers won in the 90's unlike the Vikings who had players I truely disliked-Moss, Chris Carter, Delaney Rudd. I also hate that dome and that stupid horn that goes off and that guy that dresses up as a Viking.

I dislike the 49ers most of all (and it brings a smile to my face when they suck like this year)because they ruined more Bear seasons than I care to remember, but that is a discussion for another day.

It's time for Don Pierson to roll out his "38 year-old quarterback" story. He can put the spin on how Favre is the exception and just use that same article he's been using for 8 years.

I don't root for the Packers but I don't get upset when they win now that it has no impact on the Bears. I like Favre, great player. But, I fear any run in the playoffs will cause the networks to run so much feel-good stuff that I hate him again.

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I just can't do it. It would have been like me rooting for the White Sox in '05 - not gonna happen.

Rick, I'm fine with you thinking this is a fabricated story. It won't appeal to everyone. But your following comment is kind of stupid regarding history:



Rick, I really think you didn't think before you typed on that statement. Here are your modern era QB's in the HOF without catastrophic injury ending their playing days from what I can remember...I'm sure there are other QB's I left off the list.

Terry Bradshaw - Finshed pretty decent.
Len Dawson - Was a mess his last three seasons.
John Elway - Elway has been the exception, not the rule to great QB's final years.
Dan Fouts - Ask Dan Fouts about 1986 and 1987. He won't want to talk for once.
Bob Griese - Nothing special his last three seasons.
Jim Kelly - finished with an abysmal 1996 season. QB Rating 73.2
Dan Marino - Had some injuries in the end but finished with 12 TD's and 17 INT's in his final year.
Joe Montana - Decent final year
Warren Moon - Had his job taken away in Seattle and never earned a starting job again.
Joe Namath - His last five seasons wouldn't even make Rex Grossman proud.
Bart Starr - Started every game in 1970...Very Bad...Not Success.
Roger Staubach - Ended with a stud year. I think he's extremely underrated overall.
Fran Tarkenton - Last 2 seasons, 34 TD and 46 INTs
Johnny Unitas - His last six seasons had more picks than TD's every year.

* Back to more battles between Ryan and Rick. I'd still like to bring up that Colts defense argument with the "great" Jason David, Nicker Harper and Cato June. God, the fourth ranked defense is really missing those guys.*

Rick, I should not have brought up the Colts argument. I can't edit it out. I "apologi."

There is one reason why the Colts D is so good.



He's healthy.

Indy’s Defense is called the Cover 2 because the team is only responsible for covering 2 people…Bob Sanders covers the rest.

I never said that all hall of fame QB's perform well their last season. He should be commended for playing well again but I don't think he deserves extra attention simply because he was bad for a few years for no real reason.

It would be like if I became really bad at my job for two years, but then I started to perform well again. Should my employer give me special recognition for finally performing to my abilities again? I don't think so.

He wasn't coming off of an injury. He obviously still has enough athletic ability. He didn't retire and then come back. He wasn't a good quarterback for two years.

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I really think comparing your job to an athletic job is apples to oranges and a real comparison can't be made. Why can't this be a good story? What if Johnny Unitas woke up from 3 bad years and had his team 9-1? It WOULD and SHOULD be a huge story. I don't get why you think this isn't newsworthy.

Hawkeye Vince, you know my Hawkeye bias is strong, but Marlin Jackson and Kelvin Hayden can actually play Run D as corners too.

Yes they can, but with the Colts, you see a big difference when 21 is flying around the field. They were two different teams last year with and without him.

So with all the injuries that you have this year you still wouldn't want them on your team? I'm pretty sure my argument was that losing players on your defense is almost never an upgrade. The players that replace them may perform as well or better but losing a bunch of players off of your Super Bowl winning defense should be a concern.

I guess we'll see what happens in the playoffs this year. I won't hold a loss to the Patriots against them because the patriots are going to be tough for anyone to stop.

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Every team who is 9-1 is newsworthy. My point is that the story is no better than Tony Romo's or Drew Brees's and since they have never won a title that theirs is better.

Brett Farve had to overcome the fact that he underperformed.
Tony Romo had to overcome being an undrafted free agent from Eastern Illinois.
Drew Brees had to overcome almost losing his job to a drafted rookie, leading the Chargers to one of the best records in the league, and then being released to go to New Orleans and revitalize the team and the city.

It also is a good story, but I am not going to root for Brett Farve because he figured out how to be an NFL QB again.

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That's fine I would never argue that you HAD to do that. But earlier you made it sound that this wasn't that big of a deal that an old veteran QB hasn't had a team 9-1...actually ever. My point is if this happened to Unitas it would have been a big deal and rightfully so. I don't remember me ever saying you had to root for Favre. I don't remember me saying this story was bigger than Tony Romo's or Tom Brady's amazing year. I just don't think this story is fabricated like you suggested.

Nick Harper and Jason David suck. Ask W_Z what he thinks of Jason David. The Colts corners have been healthy all year. From the sounds of your argument any depth is good depth. I like the players on this Colts team from the defense as opposed to last year's. With injuries at linebacker Cato June would be ok for some depth but he wouldn't be helping out the run defense at all. He's a horrible tackler. He does have a nose for the ball.

I keep going back to your argument of this:



I just don't think I can get behind that arguement. No one said that Favre having down years for him was positive, but the fact he has comeback at 38 is pretty cool and unusual because most HOF QB's haven't done this like you think they have. They almost all run out of steam. Favre has been amazing this year when everyone poked at him thinking he was dead.

On a sidenote I think the reason I argue with you more than most is that I usually agree with everything you say so when I see something way out of left field for my beliefs from your writings then I get worked up to respond. I don't hate you.

I just think that treating the story like a "comeback" is a fabrication. The 9-1 packers are a really good story and it came out of no where. It's similar to the Randy Moss situation. The fact that Randy Moss wasn't good for two years doesn't make his play this year any more special. The fact that he may put up statistically better numbers than any receiver in history is.

I only said what I did because of the use of cinderella season and twilight of his career.

As for the argument that any depth is good depth, I think that was and is my point. I mentioned that I thought that if the Bears lost Daniel Manning it would be a loss. I think it would because the backup would be worse(or the coaches are idiots). I wish the Bears had Chris Harris right now, even with his deficiencies.

I believe that the original argument was that by winning the first game convincingly that all defensive concerns for this season are gone. I disagreed and your defense currently has some major question marks due to injury even if the statistics are still in the Colts favor.

Some of the players that left may have flaws in their games but the defense they were playing on was the driving force behind the Super Bowl win last year.

If you win the Super Bowl, the obviously you were right. There is no way for me to definitely be right with my opinion since the league changes greatly from year to year and it is unfair to hold the Colts D responsible if they lose to the Pats this year.

My argument is that players that were starters on your Super Bowl winning defense are a loss when they go somewhere else.

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So no matter how bad there particular player is that's considered a loss in your book? That's stupid. So if the Colts have 8 or 9 really good def players but three pieces of shit that fill in the rest of the D then they got worse because they let those guys go? Huh!? So with your logic the Colts can't use guys they drafted that are better than their former players from last year's defense simply because they happened to have their name on the starting lineup? Huh? The Colts defense is BETTER this year than last year in virtually every statistic at this point. We upgraded. I can't believe you don't ever consider "addition by subtraction." The defense is carrying this team again. They've won a handful of games this year no thanks to the offense. If it wasn't for their inept special teams they would have been specifically responsible for a win over the Chargers in which Manning threw 6 INT's. I understand your point about how the defense was the big reason they got to the Superbowl last year, but you need to acknowledge the defense is still better than last year's even with the injuries right now Obviously they are weaker at D-line at the moment, but overall this is a better defense.

So when a team wins a championship they should keep every guy on the team even though they may have a young guy that is ready and better than some scrub who batted .257 on the team that year? Just because you win a ring doesn't mean every guy on your team is good...even if they are a starter.

No I think you covered it...

he joins a long list of Saints players that do, though...sadly.

That was your assumption of what i was saying. I had said this before the first game. I've obviously watched this team closely and could tell you that Marlin Jackson is a better starting cornerback that Nick Harper. This would be like you telling me before the season even began than you believed/knew a younger guy on the Bears would be an upgrade over a veteran they got rid of. You know the team way better than I do most likely. I simply said I was not worried about this defense this year and after our 8-2 start I'm still not worried about this defense. This is the best defense this team has ever had in Indianapolis ever.

I think you are taking my argument a little bit to the extreme. I guess I didn't know that those two players were so bad that not only was their backups actually better than them, but also the backups this year are better than them. Those players would have been relegated to third string with the current Colt roster.

I also believe that the conversation the first time around was originally about all the losses, but it kind of moved towards Jason David and Nick Harper. I can agree that those probably aren't big losses and may even be an upgrade at the starting position but I still think the Colts would love be choosing between the current starter and those players.

As for the defense, I admitted that right now they are clearly better. The Colts defense wasn't good for most of the regular season last year. The test comes in the playoffs this year just like the Colts proved it last season that their defense was for real.

I think the Bears would be in a better position with Chris Harris on the team this year even though he had flaws in his game.

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