_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

They are amazing. My Cardinal fan friends have nothing but angst over this team and they do nothing but win.

#theyaregood

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Is there still a chance Wainwright comes back this season?

_________________

Not no chance according to Adam, but it would be foolish. I could see maybe if Siegriest and Rosenthal went down, but as it is Martinez, as good as he's been; may go to the pen. Matheny will almost certainly go with Lynn-Garcia-Lackey-Wacha. Even in the bullpen, Wainwright would have to build up some semblance of arm strength and I just don't se it happening. Would be a great narrative, though.

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

Thanks Apologist. Makes me feel better if the Cubs won't see him.

_________________

Even if Waino has no velocity, I remember him out of the pen in '06

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

So what happened to Martinez? Done for season?

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Nvm, found it myself.

UPDATE: According to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak just announced Martinez will miss the remainder of the season with a shoulder strain. Jenifer Langosch of MLB.com writes that no surgery will be needed, but it’s brutal news for the Cardinals.

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Did I hear Wainright is going to throw Sunday night??????

_________________
"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

He may, but they said he won't be a starter. They are going to use him in middle relief at most. Losing Martinez might hurt them in the long run, but they still have enough pitching to get them through a five game series. They may change their minds if they make it to the NLCS.

_________________

Piscotty and Bourjos collide in outfield in Pittsburgh in violent collision. Yikes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie7KXbHizYk

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

I thought he was dead.

_________________

Yikes.

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Was terrible but what dope cam videos this on a tv in a bar for 5 minutes?

_________________
Elections have consequences.

He was moving, and the crowd cheered. The game is still going on.

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

Have they updated his status? Last I heard they said he had a head contusion.

Lucky if just that. He clearly looked like he was knocked out. Bourjos' shaking him and not reacting at all at first was scary, and a reminder it's just a game.

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

The blood pouring from his mouth freaked me out.

_________________
-- source

My sources are far from official, but Waino is texting that he is "okay". Seeing how cautious this regime is regarding injuries, Martinez is being shut down to protect his career; I'd be surprised to see Piscotty again this year.

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

Here's some official MLB video, you asshole.

http://m.cardinals.mlb.com/stl/video/topic/8877482/v507114883/stlpit-piscotty-injured-on-bourjos-diving-catch

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

Derrick Goold
✔
@dgoold

If Wainwright reports to ballpark tomorrow with no issues after today's exertion he expects to be cleared for game. Could see him by Wed.
3:33 PM - 28 Sep 2015

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

Is Yadi a Hall of Famer?

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2 ... -cardinals

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I would say Yadi in. He and Posey are in.

_________________

I feel like he could be, but I'm a "Let everyone in" guy. If they win another WS in his tenure, I think that would help his case greatly. He spent the first half of his career as a guy who couldn't hit, I would not be upset if he didn't get in.
In ten years or whenever he is eligible, the voter population will probably have changed a lot. Perhaps catcher defense will be more conventionally understood, or some advanced metrics will prop up his framing and pitch-calling prowess. I never thought they would have given Felix Hernandez the CY a few years ago, so who knows?

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011

_________________
-- source

I can't really see how. He has the same numbers as Pierzynski and less of them. I realize he's considered a superior backstop, but I don't think that gets him in. I couldn't say he's better than a guy like Jim Sundberg or Bill Freehan. Those aren't Hall of Famers. But we're in an odd time. Will a starting pitcher ever get in again?

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The catcher and huge part of the winning on two very different WS teams (07-11) is a big part of his case

Also 7 time all star, 6 time gold glover

He goes in

I just can't see it. Freehan made 11 All-Star teams and was in the top three in the MVP voting a couple times. He won four or five Gold Gloves too. If he's not in, I can't see Molina going in.

And Sundberg was like a Johnny Bench behind the plate. His offense is a little less, and he's no Hall of Famer, but that's the class I'd put Molina in.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don