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I don't know about anyone else, but I am actually looking forward to the upcoming Bulls season. While most people will be focusing on Fred Hoiberg, I will be interested in seeing if the Tyrus Thomas like Bobby Portis can give the Bulls anything. I expect to see a slightly built, muscle definition lacking guy that will always avoid contact. I also expect to see a guy with freakish athletic ability streaking up the court and catching alley oops as though he were the second coming of Deandre Jordan.

I was provided with a very detailed scouting report on Portis by one of the board's more esteemed members. He stated that I should expect to see Tyrus Thomas 2.0 as I watch Portis. That's exactly what i expect to see.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I am actually looking forward to the upcoming Bulls season. While most people will be focusing on Fred Hoiberg, I will be interested in seeing if the Tyrus Thomas like Bobby Portis can give the Bulls anything. I expect to see a slightly built, muscle definition lacking guy that will always avoid contact. I also expect to see a guy with freakish athletic ability streaking up the court and catching alley oops as though he were the second coming of Deandre Jordan.

I was provided with a very detailed scouting report on Portis by one of the board's more esteemed members. He stated that I should expect to see Tyrus Thomas 2.0 as I watch Portis. That's exactly what i expect to see.

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Does Snell flourish in this offense?

What will Joakim's role be going forward?

How long will Gibson remain on the team?


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Does Snell flourish in this offense?

What will Joakim's role be going forward?

How long will Gibson remain on the team?


I think Snell will flourish as a jump shooter. I think its a good thing that Dunleavy is hurt because it will give the young guys a chance to play.

I think he will have Joakim Noah playing a role similar to what Royce White did for him at Iowa State. Probably use him in a point-center role.


I hope Gibson is not on the team for long. There is a logjam at the four spot and his lack of skill set appears to be a bad fit for Hoiberg's offense. I hope that can swing a trade that nets them a solid three man/two guard type. He and Butler could then hold down the shooting guard/small forward spot.

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Matches Malone wrote:
Does Snell flourish in this offense?

What will Joakim's role be going forward?

How long will Gibson remain on the team?


I think Snell will flourish as a jump shooter. I think its a good thing that Dunleavy is hurt because it will give the young guys a chance to play.

I think he will have Joakim Noah playing a role similar to what Royce White did for him at Iowa State. Probably use him in a point-center role.


I hope Gibson is not on the team for long. There is a logjam at the four spot and his lack of skill set appears to be a bad fit for Hoiberg's offense. I hope that can swing a trade that nets them a solid three man/two guard type. He and Butler could then hold down the shooting guard/small forward spot.


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Matches Malone wrote:
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Does Snell flourish in this offense?

What will Joakim's role be going forward?

How long will Gibson remain on the team?


I think Snell will flourish as a jump shooter. I think its a good thing that Dunleavy is hurt because it will give the young guys a chance to play.

I think he will have Joakim Noah playing a role similar to what Royce White did for him at Iowa State. Probably use him in a point-center role.


I hope Gibson is not on the team for long. There is a logjam at the four spot and his lack of skill set appears to be a bad fit for Hoiberg's offense. I hope that can swing a trade that nets them a solid three man/two guard type. He and Butler could then hold down the shooting guard/small forward spot.


Are you expecting anything from McDermott or do you consider his contributions gravy?


I expect him to beat out Dunleavy at some point during the season. I expect for him to be a double-digit scorer this yr. Having said that I am still in favor of the Bulls swinging a trade to upgrade the 3 spot. If you can trade McDermott and Taj for Rudy Gay do it. I would make that move in a heartbeat. Wojnarawski guy has been putting that out there since June and if its true Paxson should pull the trigger.

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I expect him to beat out Dunleavy at some point during the season. I expect for him to be a double-digit scorer this yr. Having said that I am still in favor of the Bulls swinging a trade to upgrade the 3 spot. If you can trade McDermott and Taj for Rudy Gay do it. I would make that move in a heartbeat. Wojnarawski guy has been putting that out there since June and if its true Paxson should pull the trigger.


Gotta disagree with you on the Rudy Gay thing. I think he's on the decline and that would be too much to give up in my opinion.


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Matches Malone wrote:
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Does Snell flourish in this offense?

What will Joakim's role be going forward?

How long will Gibson remain on the team?


I think Snell will flourish as a jump shooter. I think its a good thing that Dunleavy is hurt because it will give the young guys a chance to play.

I think he will have Joakim Noah playing a role similar to what Royce White did for him at Iowa State. Probably use him in a point-center role.


I hope Gibson is not on the team for long. There is a logjam at the four spot and his lack of skill set appears to be a bad fit for Hoiberg's offense. I hope that can swing a trade that nets them a solid three man/two guard type. He and Butler could then hold down the shooting guard/small forward spot.


Are you expecting anything from McDermott or do you consider his contributions gravy?


I expect him to beat out Dunleavy at some point during the season. I expect for him to be a double-digit scorer this yr. Having said that I am still in favor of the Bulls swinging a trade to upgrade the 3 spot. If you can trade McDermott and Taj for Rudy Gay do it. I would make that move in a heartbeat. Wojnarawski guy has been putting that out there since June and if its true Paxson should pull the trigger.

Dunleavy is out for a large portion of the early season isn't he?

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I expect him to beat out Dunleavy at some point during the season. I expect for him to be a double-digit scorer this yr. Having said that I am still in favor of the Bulls swinging a trade to upgrade the 3 spot. If you can trade McDermott and Taj for Rudy Gay do it. I would make that move in a heartbeat. Wojnarawski guy has been putting that out there since June and if its true Paxson should pull the trigger.


Gotta disagree with you on the Rudy Gay thing. I think he's on the decline and that would be too much to give up in my opinion.


He hasn't declined that much and he is easily the best player in the trade. The Bulls need a guy that can hold his own against better small forwards. I'm pulling for McDermott but I don't think he is a starting caliber small forward. I think he is better than Dunleavy, but Dunleavy is not a starting caliber small forward.

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Dunleavy is a out 6-8 weeks last I checked. He had back surgery last week.

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Dunleavy is a out 6-8 weeks last I checked. He had back surgery last week.


i like how they always take the surgery right after their summer vacation

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Dunleavy is a out 6-8 weeks last I checked. He had back surgery last week.


i like how they always take the surgery right after their summer vacation


I was wondering about that too. Why in the hell did he wait until just before the start of camp to do this? In addition is the resigning of him in the first place. Why would they resign him? Aging guy with back issues. This looks like Rip Hamilton all over again. If he were not injured, then the signing would make sense. Not now though.

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Dunleavy is a out 6-8 weeks last I checked. He had back surgery last week.


i like how they always take the surgery right after their summer vacation


I was wondering about that too. Why in the hell did he wait until just before the start of camp to do this? In addition is the resigning of him in the first place. Why would they resign him? Aging guy with back issues. This looks like Rip Hamilton all over again. If he were not injured, then the signing would make sense. Not now though.


Yes the surgery happening so late is questionable, but I was on board with bringing Dunleavy back. And weren't the Cavs wanting to bring him in?

Thibs ran the guy into the ground the last two seasons. Twenty to twenty five minutes a night for him and you'll get a hell of a return on your investment.

Just don't let him lead a fast break.


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Dunleavy is a out 6-8 weeks last I checked. He had back surgery last week.


i like how they always take the surgery right after their summer vacation


I was wondering about that too. Why in the hell did he wait until just before the start of camp to do this? In addition is the resigning of him in the first place. Why would they resign him? Aging guy with back issues. This looks like Rip Hamilton all over again. If he were not injured, then the signing would make sense. Not now though.


Yes the surgery happening so late is questionable, but I was on board with bringing Dunleavy back. And weren't the Cavs wanting to bring him in?

Thibs ran the guy into the ground the last two seasons. Twenty to twenty five minutes a night for him and you'll get a hell of a return on your investment.

Just don't let him lead a fast break.


It was a good move if he were not injured. Yes the Cavs wanted him too. I think they were going to pay him more than the Bulls also. This is a good time to see what McDermott has to offer. That's the positive aspect of Dunleavy's injury, contingent of course, upon McDermott performing well.

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Yes I do. It was painful to watch that predictable ass dribble handoff with Joakim Noah at the top of the key. I would continue to try that combination. They are two of the best passing big men in the league.

They struggled guarding screen roll, particularly Gasol. Noah struggled guarding stretch four types but I didn't think the Noah Gasol combo killed the Bulls that much. I would try it early and if it is not working, pull the plug.

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I loved Thibs. I can't get excited for anyone else. I hate sports.

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I loved Thibs. I can't get excited for anyone else. I hate sports.


I thought it was time for him to roll. He is a decent coach but he is overrated. The doors were not exactly beaten down for him once he hit the open market either.

I know you're trolling, but I will play along anyway

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I loved Thibs. I can't get excited for anyone else. I hate sports.


I thought it was time for him to roll. He is a decent coach but he is overrated. The doors were not exactly beaten down for him once he hit the open market either.

I know you're trolling, but I will play along anyway


That has nothing to do with whether he's a good coach or not.

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I believe Rose already fractured a bone in his wrist while swiping through his 401k plan on an iPad.

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I loved Thibs. I can't get excited for anyone else. I hate sports.


I thought it was time for him to roll. He is a decent coach but he is overrated. The doors were not exactly beaten down for him once he hit the open market either.

I know you're trolling, but I will play along anyway


I'm not trolling, and I'm not talking about skill. I simply liked Thibs. He was insane. I loved having a coach who cared more about the Bulls than any fan ever could.

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I loved Thibs. I can't get excited for anyone else. I hate sports.


I thought it was time for him to roll. He is a decent coach but he is overrated. The doors were not exactly beaten down for him once he hit the open market either.

I know you're trolling, but I will play along anyway


That has nothing to do with whether he's a good coach or not.


Yes it does. If he were as good as his supporters believe he is, then there would be much more of a demand for his services.

He will get another coaching job. I'm not arguing that. The second best coach in the league should be able to write his own ticket and Thibs can't. This yrs list of coaching hires was not exactly considered to be list of who's who. You would have thought that Thibs would have been at the top of everyone's list and he wasn't. That is obvious.

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I loved Thibs. I can't get excited for anyone else. I hate sports.


I thought it was time for him to roll. He is a decent coach but he is overrated. The doors were not exactly beaten down for him once he hit the open market either.

I know you're trolling, but I will play along anyway


That has nothing to do with whether he's a good coach or not.


Yes it does. If he were as good as his supporters believe he is, then there would be much more of a demand for his services.

He will get another coaching job. I'm not arguing that. The second best coach in the league should be able to write his own ticket and Thibs can't. There was not a who's who of coaching hires made this summer. You would have thought that Thibs would have been at the top of everyone's list and he wasn't. That is obvious.


No, it doesn't. False premise. If Greg Popovich quit today and said he was looking to join another team, not everyone in the league would express interest. Does that lack of overwhelming demand mean Popovich is any less of a coach? Nope.

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It's not about every team in the league expressing interest. Did ant team express interest? This is what I do know. During the pd when Thibs Status was in limbo there was this talk about GarPax waiting until all the other coaching hires were made before they fired Thibs. It was supposed to be their way of sticking it to Thibs. Then there was the talk of compensation.

The Bulls fired Thibs without either of these scenarios having played out and he still was not hired. Billy Donovan, Scott Skiles, Mike Malone, Alvin Gentry are among the guys hired during the off season. These are all bottom tier coaches and they were all hired before Thibs. Gentry and Skiles are on their fourth head coaching job.

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It's not about every team in the league expressing interest. Did ant team express interest? This is what I do know. During the pd when Thibs Status was in limbo there was this talk about GarPax waiting until all the other coaching hires were made before they fired Thibs. It was supposed to be their way of sticking it to Thibs. Then there was the talk of compensation.

The Bulls fired Thibs without either of these scenarios having played out and he still was not hired. Billy Donovan, Scott Skiles, Mike Malone, Alvin Gentry are among the guys hired during the off season. These are all bottom tier coaches and they were all hired before Thibs. Gentry and Skiles are on their fourth head coaching job.


I think if he was in demand it would've been Orlando (Silvy voice) right?

The fact that they went with Skiles who one could argue is not as good and even more of a tough act to get along with than Thibs speaks volumes.


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It's not about every team in the league expressing interest. Did ant team express interest? This is what I do know. During the pd when Thibs Status was in limbo there was this talk about GarPax waiting until all the other coaching hires were made before they fired Thibs. It was supposed to be their way of sticking it to Thibs. Then there was the talk of compensation.

The Bulls fired Thibs without either of these scenarios having played out and he still was not hired. Billy Donovan, Scott Skiles, Mike Malone, Alvin Gentry are among the guys hired during the off season. These are all bottom tier coaches and they were all hired before Thibs. Gentry and Skiles are on their fourth head coaching job.


That doesn't indicate whether or not those teams had an interest in Thibs. It's not as if everyone of those coaches was the first choice of the teams that hired them, except for maybe Donovan and I think he was hired before Thibs was fired. At his age, Thibs is probably going to want a team that is ready to win in a season or two, not a team that needs a lot more work before they're even ready to compete, let alone win it all. NO and Orlando are not ready to be legitimate contenders.

Thibs' talent and record as a coach means he can be more selective about where he wants to end up. Rather than suggesting he wasn't good enough to land a job in Orlando in New Orleans, it's equally plausible and probably more accurate to say Orlando and New Orleans weren't attractive enough jobs to garner Thibs' interest.

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It's not about every team in the league expressing interest. Did ant team express interest? This is what I do know. During the pd when Thibs Status was in limbo there was this talk about GarPax waiting until all the other coaching hires were made before they fired Thibs. It was supposed to be their way of sticking it to Thibs. Then there was the talk of compensation.

The Bulls fired Thibs without either of these scenarios having played out and he still was not hired. Billy Donovan, Scott Skiles, Mike Malone, Alvin Gentry are among the guys hired during the off season. These are all bottom tier coaches and they were all hired before Thibs. Gentry and Skiles are on their fourth head coaching job.


I think if he was in demand it would've been Orlando (Silvy voice) right?

The fact that they went with Skiles who one could argue is not as good and even more of a tough act to get along with than Thibs speaks volumes.


Whether people want to admit or not Thibs was exposed as a coach last season. It's obvious that the demand for his services was not that great. His firing was one of the worst kept secrets in the NBA, yet coaching hires were made without him even receiving a sniff.

I can provide two examples of what happens when your services are in demand. Doc Rivers and Jason Kidd. If Popovich became available and said he wants to coach the Houston Rockets, the Rockets would probably fire Kevin McHale. That's demand.

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It's not about every team in the league expressing interest. Did ant team express interest? This is what I do know. During the pd when Thibs Status was in limbo there was this talk about GarPax waiting until all the other coaching hires were made before they fired Thibs. It was supposed to be their way of sticking it to Thibs. Then there was the talk of compensation.

The Bulls fired Thibs without either of these scenarios having played out and he still was not hired. Billy Donovan, Scott Skiles, Mike Malone, Alvin Gentry are among the guys hired during the off season. These are all bottom tier coaches and they were all hired before Thibs. Gentry and Skiles are on their fourth head coaching job.


That doesn't indicate whether or not those teams had an interest in Thibs. It's not as if everyone of those coaches was the first choice of the teams that hired them, except for maybe Donovan and I think he was hired before Thibs was fired. At his age, Thibs is probably going to want a team that is ready to win in a season or two, not a team that needs a lot more work before they're even ready to compete, let alone win it all. NO and Orlando are not ready to be legitimate contenders.

Thibs' talent and record as a coach means he can be more selective about where he wants to end up. Rather than suggesting he wasn't good enough to land a job in Orlando in New Orleans, it's equally plausible and probably more accurate to say Orlando and New Orleans weren't attractive enough jobs to garner Thibs' interest.



He may want to be more selective, but that doesn't mean he has earned the right to be. The Thunder was by far the best job out there, and they chose a college coach over Thibs. Everyone knew Thibs was a goner, and yet they went with a guy with no track record at the NBA level. It's just one job, but you have to figure that if Thibs is the coach most believe him to be they would have at least waited to talk to him before making a coaching hire.

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No one has to believe any of that mess you continue to post about Thibs. In fact you're the only one who does. Regardless of how many times you say it no one with an ounce of basketball knowledge will believe Thibs isn't a top 2-3 coach.

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