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Getting the Kenny Williams promotion for a job well done! Congratulations and enjoy your new role!

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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He is a great GM.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list


He's more of a punch line than an enemy. KW has a world series ring. BB has a book written by an infatuated author.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list


He's more of a punch line than an enemy. KW has a world series ring. BB has a book written by an infatuated author.
This guy gets it.

As everyone knows, the best revenge is living well.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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He is a great GM.


Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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He's traded away Josh Donaldson, Carlos Gonzalez, Yeonis Cespedes, Gio Gonzalez and Addison Russell.


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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
He is a great GM.


Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though.
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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He is a great GM.


Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though.
Hypothetical Billy Beane!


It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent.

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Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list


He's more of a punch line than an enemy. KW has a world series ring. BB has a book written by an infatuated author.


Yep.

Kenny is better than Billy.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent.
The A's were a dynasty only a little while before Beane got there. I don't know where the idea comes from that it is impossible to win there.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent.
The A's were a dynasty only a little while before Beane got there. I don't know where the idea comes from that it is impossible to win there.


It's hard to have success in baseball when you have one of the lowest payrolls.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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All things being equal in terms of payroll and organization structure, I'd take Billy Beane over KW.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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Nas wrote:
It's hard to have success in baseball when you have one of the lowest payrolls.
No doubt, but you don't have to make it more than it is with the job he did there.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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The Sox payroll shot up after 2005, but there were many years before that where the payroll was pretty close.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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The Sox payroll shot up after 2005, but there were many years before that where the payroll was pretty close.


I agree. That's why I loved what Kenny did. He didn't get burnt on a trade until after the WS. Not agreeing to take back Willis in the Cabrera deal is where the slide started.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
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He is a great GM.


Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though.
Hypothetical Billy Beane!


It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent.


Correct. People can talk about guys he traded away and rightfully so. He traded away some guys way before he had to that were/are very good. But realize that he traded many of the players, because he had to. He could not afford to retain them, with the budget he is given. Trading away guys like Russell was done in desperation. He thought he had a team that might actually be able to contend for a title, if given a couple more starting pitchers (Shark and Hammel) to put them over the top. He does have an amazing eye for talent. Well, he and his scouts do. Otherwise they wouldn't sign, draft and develop sufficient talent to remain relevant so often and have so many good players to deal away, who wind up being remembered best as guys who shouldn't have been traded. But again, he trades them when he can no longer keep them due to his budget, or trades guys when he needs a piece to complete a puzzle. he's done an amazing job.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job".

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Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job".

much like Theo picking up Lester, good GM's screw up every once in a while.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy Beane!
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Are you guys missing the point that his own team has now given him a promotion which isn't really a promotion like they did with Kenny?

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Are you guys missing the point that his own team has now given him a promotion which isn't really a promotion like they did with Kenny?

what exactly does Beane do now that he has (and apparently has had for some time) a "defacto GM"?

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Are you guys missing the point that his own team has now given him a promotion which isn't really a promotion like they did with Kenny?

what exactly does Beane do now that he has (and apparently has had for some time) a "defacto GM"?
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Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job".

much like Theo picking up Lester, good GM's screw up every once in a while.


Those are two HUGE mistakes in a four month time frame. Beane has not done an amazing job.

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City of Fools wrote:
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Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job".

much like Theo picking up Lester, good GM's screw up every once in a while.


Those are two HUGE mistakes in a four month time frame. Beane has not done an amazing job.

he lost in a crapshoot game and tried to fix his previous playoff mistakes roster wise. It didn't work out. We will enjoy Russell but I still view Beane as a good regular season GM who has done some amazing seasons with very little money.

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He's never even won a World Series.

Loser.

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City of Fools wrote:
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Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job".

much like Theo picking up Lester, good GM's screw up every once in a while.


Those are two HUGE mistakes in a four month time frame. Beane has not done an amazing job.

he lost in a crapshoot game and tried to fix his previous playoff mistakes roster wise. It didn't work out. We will enjoy Russell but I still view Beane as a good regular season GM who has done some amazing seasons with very little money.


Good regular season GM. That's a good way to describe him. Winning one playoff series in eighteen years is not an amazing job, as previously stated.

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It's also not anyones fault but his own that he stayed in Oakland.

If Oakland is a limiting factor then go someplace else.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent.
The A's were a dynasty only a little while before Beane got there. I don't know where the idea comes from that it is impossible to win there.

I think they had a pretty high payroll in the dynasty years. Like maybe the highest in baseball.


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It's also not anyones fault but his own that he stayed in Oakland.

If Oakland is a limiting factor then go someplace else.


But he's sort of become bigger than just an executive in Oakland, hasn't he? I thought he owns a stake in the team itself, among other perks. Always assumed he stayed there because, relative to other GMs, he's got it made in Oakland.

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