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In fairness to Rose I have absolutely no issue with him wanting to be the best player on a championship team. It takes a lot of confidence to want to be that guy. In the end actually winning matters most. That's why you call Marshmelo and others.


like I tell my kids, saying you want to and taking the steps necessary to make it a reality are two different things


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In fairness to Rose I have absolutely no issue with him wanting to be the best player on a championship team. It takes a lot of confidence to want to be that guy. In the end actually winning matters most. That's why you call Marshmelo and others.


like I tell my kids, saying you want to and taking the steps necessary to make it a reality are two different things



Its cool to want to be the best player, but you shouldn't be threatened by other talented players. I think a lot of NBA guys have this problem actually. The problem with Rose is that he isn't playing and yet he is walking around with all the swagger and bravado of a reigning MVP. To hear him talk you'd never know that the guy has only played in a 100 games in 4 yrs.

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In fairness to Rose I have absolutely no issue with him wanting to be the best player on a championship team. It takes a lot of confidence to want to be that guy. In the end actually winning matters most. That's why you call Marshmelo and others.


like I tell my kids, saying you want to and taking the steps necessary to make it a reality are two different things



Its cool to want to be the best player, .


I'm all for that. He doesn't work like the someone who wants to be the best player. Everyone sees it and that is the source of friction. It is even more pronounced when Butler does work like it.

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His ass out stupidity has finally erased the memory of the HS kid who was the grittiest team-first guy I remember.

That is the thing that is the biggest disappointment to me. He seemed to be such a team first guy, and yet something or a multitude of things sure changed him.

Injuries happen. But the way he has changed throughout the process has been a huge letdown.



You know what I have thought about this a little. I don't know how much of a team guy that he actually was, even then. I should rephrase that. He was a team guy, but probably in the way that Lebron is a team guy.

If you look at his high school and college teams, Rose was decidedly the star on those teams. High school is understandable, because its rare to have two potential first round draft picks on the same team. College is different. He didn't choose one of the college powerhouse teams to play for. He chose Memphis, which had Douglas-Roberts and old ass Joey Dorsey. They were marginal NBA guys at best.

You also had shady ass Calipari and big bag of money, but you can get that anywhere. They set his brother up with a cushy Fed Ex job also. You can get that anywhere.

I think that he chose Memphis in order to get the same setup that he had at Simeon. Rose surrounded by a bunch of Role players. He has won in both places doing that. He also was able to win in the NBA on a team where he was the unquestioned star.

This is the first time ever that Rose as the alpha male on a team has ever been in question. When he made the statement regarding "why not him" it was as much one of confidence as it was ego. Most people focused on the confidence part but his ego was at play also. When people harped on his reluctance to recruit free agents that was his ego also.

I think Rose has always had an ego and probably been arrogant, but has never really had to show it until now. Unfortunately it is on display at a time when the whole city is against him, which is the worst possible time.


I too never looked at it that way. You may be on to something.

There's no doubt Butler's ascension bother Rose.


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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.

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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.


Thanks for that trip down memory lane.

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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.


Thanks for that trip down memory lane.


I thought it would bring a tear to your eye. Oh what might have been.

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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.


Weren't there rumors of Rose lobbying the Bull front office to acquire Gordon?


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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.


Funny how Rose and Gordon have had similar career's injury wise. I haven't looked at the #s in a while but their careers have been similar performance wise, right?


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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.


Weren't there rumors of Rose lobbying the Bull front office to acquire Gordon?


just because he hit a couple playoff 3s for us doesnt mean his version of gatorade sold well

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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.


Funny how Rose and Gordon have had similar career's injury wise. I haven't looked at the #s in a while but their careers have been similar performance wise, right?


Rose has had a better career. They both are injury prone. Gordon's injuries have had much more of an adverse effect than Rose's strangely enough. Gordon has no chance of fulfilling the promise he showed earlier in his career.

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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.


Thanks for that trip down memory lane.

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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.


Weren't there rumors of Rose lobbying the Bull front office to acquire Gordon?


I don't know about that.

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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.


Weren't there rumors of Rose lobbying the Bull front office to acquire Gordon?


I don't know about that.


Maybe it was a report or article that referenced their AAU past and made the connection that it would be a fit. Or it could've been similar to the "trade Boozer for Gasol. Hey I never said that but my brother might have."


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Eric Gordon verbally committed to Illinois coming out of high school. He lobbied hard for Rose to sign with Illinois also. I always believed that one of the reasons Rose didn't give Illinois a second thought was the presence of Eric Gordon. Gordon was every bit the prospect Rose was coming out of high school. I didn't believe that he was too comfortable with sharing the spotlight. Gordon later backed out of his verbal commitment and I was convinced that it had something to do with Rose choosing not to attend.

Rose and Gordon were on some team together in high school. May have been AAU. Not sure but what I do remember is that they became cool while playing together and Gordon was trying to parlay it into he and Rose playing together in college.


Thanks for that trip down memory lane.

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