30 years seems about right.

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Zimmer is head and shoulders above Fox and Caldwell. Most of the league is. It's hard to tell how bad McCarthy. He's certainly not a good coach, but without Rodgers I can't tell if he would simply be sorta below average or one of the worst in the league like Caldwell.

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I don't think it is fair to lump Fox and Caldwell together. Fox has accomplished way more in his career than Caldwell ever will.

What has Zimmer done to be considered head and shoulders above them?

I would say that hands down right now McCarthy is the best coach in the division.

1. McCarthy

2. Fox

3. Zimmer

79. Caldwell

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Are you just looking at wins and losses? Zimmer has a fantastic record as a defensive coach with the Bengals, and did a decent job last year with minimal talent. Can you name one thing McCarthy is supposedly good at? Despite having one of the best QB's of all time, he's a very conservative coach who routinely makes the wrong decisions on 4th and 1 type scenarios, his playcalling is really simple and elite defenses often shut them down for entire games, his loyalty to Dom Capers has definitely been detrimental to the team as well. His teams look like absolute dogshit when Rodgers goes down.

Fox has had a lot of success, but Reid has had a comparable amount of success and I think he's a bad coach as well. If you have enough talent, you have to be Trestman-esque bad to derail a team. Fox isn't that bad. He's very slightly better than that. I cant think of one reason to take him over Zimmer right now. If you are going by past success, then you should rank Caldwell ahead of Zimmer as well. He's won more games.

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I should have specified in-game, as McCarthy is almost as atrocious as Caldwell in that department. I thought his terrible coaching is the biggest reason they lost to Seattle in the playoffs last season and this type of logic is just flabbergasting:
It's a testament to Rodgers' greatness that he managed to win a Super Bowl with a guy that so frequently sabotages his team's chances from the sideline.

Fox, Fangio and Gace are all accomplished and successful football guys. This is the best Bears coaching staff in a long damn time. They have a shit roster that no one could win with, but this year isnt about winning games anyway.

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What has Adam Gace accomplished in the NFL?

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Gace is a real damn OC, something the Bears haven't had in many years. I think he is innovative.

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What makes him innovative? His quarterback gave him the game plan for every game the past 2 years. Outside of that, he has done nothing significant in the NFL that I am aware of. Your faith is misplaced.

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Innovative is probably not right but he seems flexible. Which as an NFL OC I think is important.

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Cutler has a lower QBR, yds/g and completion % than he did last year under Scorehead's guy (at the time) Tresty. But Gase is great. That is fact because everyone says so. Stop questioning it.

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Not so fast. Gase's play-calling has cost the Bears two games this season, this one and against GB, ironically for opposite reasons.

The verdict is still out on him. He's got potential, as shown by his TD run-call with the trips left set at the goal line, but any dummy knows that if you need a first down to win, you can't run the ball up the gut three times in a row, when it's not your back's strength and that's what the defense is expecting you to do when you have Cutler and don't want him to make a turnover.

Wasn't able to watch today.

Was the personal foul call late in the game legit?

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Zimmers time as a defensive coach with the Bengals does not impact his resume as a head coach in the NFL.

I am not saying McCarthy is good, but he has had a pretty good run, and he has to be put ahead of a guy that has one decent year and a nice record as an assistant. Zimmer may end up being the best coach in the division, but there is no way you can make that call right now. Way too early.

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No, despite what Chus might say.

The refs overall were awful today. They basically gave the Lions 14 points, but there was also a terrible pass interfenece call on Calvin Johnson that helped the Bears. Like I said, the refs were absolutely brutal.

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The play on the left happened today Seacrest, and was called a bears Interception on the field. It was reviewed and was then changed Detroit touchdown because who knows why.

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Because it was a touchdown?

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Because it was a touchdown?

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No it wasn't. We went thru this today. The play on the right was not called a touchdown, and you have the Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant catches too. There is no consistency with this "rule"

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No consistency may be true...but it was a TD. Bad call previously.

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You are looking at this backward. Mccarthy has had a nice run solely because rodgers was his QB. He's shown nothing in the past decade to suggest he can be a successful coach without Rodgers. Jim Caldwell started his career 14-0 because he had Peyton Manning. Zimmer may well end up being bad, but there's nothing so far to suggest he's incompetent. There are countless games of Mccarthy, Caldwell, and Fox showing they are incompetent game day coaches. Maybe they are terrific monday-saturday coaches, but there is no way of gauging that as fans.

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Could it also be that since neither of us watch a lot of Viking games that we do not see Zimmers incompetence?

I would venture to say that on a Viking messageboard the last 2 years there have been people complaining about his game coaching.

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Definitely possible. But I would be willing to bet that Packer fans(even with the SB), Lions fans, and Bear fans(if they realized it yet) dislike their coach way more than Viking fans do. I bet a poll like that would not even be close actually. Obviously no way to know for sure except wait and see so I guess agree to disagree here.

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McPhee dove at the back of Stafford's knees, at least a full second after Stafford threw the ball. There was no call initially. After a quick zebra meeting, the flag was thrown. Hitting the QB low, or hitting him late, choose your infraction.

There is a ton of crying going on tonight. I didn't blame the officials after the terrible no call two weeks ago in Seattle, or the playoff game against Dallas. Suck it up, fellas.

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This also is not what happened.
The Ump threw the flag on his own.

And:

Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira 5h5 hours ago
I do not like the roughing the passer penalty in the #CHIvsDET, to me it was not forcible contact

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The flag came in late.

Mike Pereira was as bad as Ronde Barber, when it came to getting the calls right. The league protects QBs. McPhee should know better than to go at his knees, and way late, I may add again.

There was also a weak late hit flag on Quin in the second quarter, which kept a drive alive. That drive ended in a field goal. Jeffery pushed off on the final drive, with no call. So, blaming the refs for the Bears loss is just silly.

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Thinks it was bad call:
Former head of all NFL refs
Former NFL Pro Bowl player
Long-time NFL broadcaster

Thinks it was a good call:
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