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They certainly function well as a team, and they're showing you that elite defense can be important in a low run-scoring environment. But if you look at them on paper, there's no way you would think they could be this good.


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I wouldn't really make that comparison. That Sox team had power in the right places and a top starting rotation. The Royals sent their opening day starter to the minors at one point this season.

It's really the oddest thing I've ever seen. They're not really good, but they don't make many mistakes and eventually the other team kicks a ball or does some other stupid shit to let them back into a game. Like sending out a guy who has been the center of an innings pitched controversy during the entire second half of the season to pitch a ninth inning when it was completely unnecessary to do so.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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They certainly function well as a team, and they're showing you that elite defense can be important in a low run-scoring environment. But if you look at them on paper, there's no way you would think they could be this good.


2005?


I wouldn't really make that comparison. That Sox team had power in the right places and a top starting rotation. The Royals sent their opening day starter to the minors at one point this season.

It's really the oddest thing I've ever seen. They're not really good, but they don't make many mistakes and eventually the other team kicks a ball or does some other stupid shit to let them back into a game. Like sending out a guy who has been the center of an innings pitched controversy during the entire second half of the season to pitch a ninth inning when it was completely unnecessary to do so.

Maybe they just arent good in the way that you are used to. The Giants teams were similiar with the waiting for mistakes

The bullpen dominance is what sets them apart and for them, its just as good as dominant starters have been for other teams.


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sounded like a great game to watch. too bad I fell asleep around 9:45.

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sounded like a great game to watch. too bad I fell asleep around 9:45.

Yeah, too bad the World Series can't play weekend day games out of deference to the almighty FOOTBAW.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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They certainly function well as a team, and they're showing you that elite defense can be important in a low run-scoring environment. But if you look at them on paper, there's no way you would think they could be this good.


2005?


I wouldn't really make that comparison. That Sox team had power in the right places and a top starting rotation. The Royals sent their opening day starter to the minors at one point this season.

It's really the oddest thing I've ever seen. They're not really good, but they don't make many mistakes and eventually the other team kicks a ball or does some other stupid shit to let them back into a game. Like sending out a guy who has been the center of an innings pitched controversy during the entire second half of the season to pitch a ninth inning when it was completely unnecessary to do so.

Maybe they just arent good in the way that you are used to. The Giants teams were similiar with the waiting for mistakes

The bullpen dominance is what sets them apart and for them, its just as good as dominant starters have been for other teams.


Maybe, but that's another oddity. Bullpen success is based on short samples and it's very difficult to maintain or sustain such success across a group of seven or eight relievers over the course of multiple seasons. Generally, guys are relieving because they lack the necessities to be starters. It's just not something as easy to count on as sending Madison Bumgarner or Tim Lincecum at his best to the mound every five days. Maybe Wade Davis is a special guy, but that doesn't really address the rest of them.

It wouldn't shock me if they finished last in their division with the same team next season.

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There is more talent on this 15' Royal team than the 05' Sox. Gotta give em credit, they hang tough and have the pen to hold anybody. Good Defense and base running plus that bullpen is working great.. They have a left fielder that could play center on nearly every team and be an upgrade.

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Maybe, but that's another oddity. Bullpen success is based on short samples and it's very difficult to maintain or sustain such success across a group of seven or eight relievers over the course of multiple seasons. Generally, guys are relieving because they lack the necessities to be starters. It's just not something as easy to count on as sending Madison Bumgarner or Tim Lincecum at his best to the mound every five days. Maybe Wade Davis is a special guy, but that doesn't really address the rest of them.

It wouldn't shock me if they finished last in their division with the same team next season.

Its the depth though. Their 4th starter is better than most and their 7-8-9 hitters are way better than most. Also the bullpen and defense. All these things add up.

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It wouldn't shock me if they finished last in their division with the same team next season.
It would shock the hell out of me. The Tigers are going to be bad, the Indians are not that good, and who knows how our White Sox will play. It wouldn't surprise me terribly if they missed the 2016 playoffs, but barring a rash of injuries it would absolutely leave me dead shocked if they lost 90 some games next year.

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There is more talent on this 15' Royal team than the 05' Sox. Gotta give em credit, they hang tough and have the pen to hold anybody. Good Defense and base running plus that bullpen is working great.. They have a left fielder that could play center on nearly every team and be an upgrade.


Uh, no.

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Hosmer, Moustakas, Hochevar, Gordon


4 straight 1st round draft picks win world series together all playing significant roles.

Wonder how often that happens?


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
312player wrote:
There is more talent on this 15' Royal team than the 05' Sox. Gotta give em credit, they hang tough and have the pen to hold anybody. Good Defense and base running plus that bullpen is working great.. They have a left fielder that could play center on nearly every team and be an upgrade.


Uh, no.

We probably need to adjust our definition of "good".

A guy like Cain who can hit, run and field is a superstar. We still focus and celebrate guys who can swing the bat.


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There is more talent on this 15' Royal team than the 05' Sox. Gotta give em credit, they hang tough and have the pen to hold anybody. Good Defense and base running plus that bullpen is working great.. They have a left fielder that could play center on nearly every team and be an upgrade.


Uh, no.

We probably need to adjust our definition of "good".

A guy like Cain who can hit, run and field is a superstar. We still focus and celebrate guys who can swing the bat.


The 05 Sox had plenty of guys who could run and field and they hit better. Not to mention the pitching. It's not close.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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There is more talent on this 15' Royal team than the 05' Sox. Gotta give em credit, they hang tough and have the pen to hold anybody. Good Defense and base running plus that bullpen is working great.. They have a left fielder that could play center on nearly every team and be an upgrade.


Uh, no.

We probably need to adjust our definition of "good".

A guy like Cain who can hit, run and field is a superstar. We still focus and celebrate guys who can swing the bat.


The 05 Sox had plenty of guys who could run and field and they hit better. Not to mention the pitching. It's not close.

Different game/time. Offense revolved popping steroids and amphetamines as a daily multi-vitamin.

Would hitters in '05 accrue the same stats in today's game of testing and a strike zone at the ankles?

I say 100% no.


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i've really grown to dislike the royals this postseason... they took out 3 teams i wouldn't mind seeing win the world series, and they did it by not being all that good (like go figure JORR said) cuz they weren't good enough to go out and sweep someone or 4-1 them on their own merits (in the world series the mets had to blow games 1 and 3 to achieve this), but then again they're not bad enough to go out and get beat.... they'll just keep hanging around and hanging around and hanging around until another team beats themselves, then they take advantage of that and lock it down with that bullpen advantage and that's game.

all this crap with harold reynolds saying "BASEBALL HAS GOTTA TAKE NOTICE OF HOW THE ROYALS PLAY BASEBALL" is a load of hooey... they're fine and they'll be around for a bit, but i would be pretty damn surprised if this isn't their only title cuz other teams are getting better (or getting their act together) and a good team that doesnt shit itself games 1/3 takes the royals in 6 at the latest this series.

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this is a silly argument, but 2005 world champs had 43.5 WAR, 2015 champs, 38.3 WAR

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i've really grown to dislike the royals this postseason... they took out 3 teams i wouldn't mind seeing win the world series, and they did it by not being all that good (like go figure JORR said) cuz they weren't good enough to go out and sweep someone or 4-1 them on their own merits (in the world series the mets had to blow games 1 and 3 to achieve this), but then again they're not bad enough to go out and get beat.... they'll just keep hanging around and hanging around and hanging around until another team beats themselves, then they take advantage of that and lock it down with that bullpen advantage and that's game.

this appears to be the narrative. ridiculously insulting to the royals.


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i've really grown to dislike the royals this postseason... they took out 3 teams i wouldn't mind seeing win the world series, and they did it by not being all that good (like go figure JORR said) cuz they weren't good enough to go out and sweep someone or 4-1 them on their own merits (in the world series the mets had to blow games 1 and 3 to achieve this), but then again they're not bad enough to go out and get beat.... they'll just keep hanging around and hanging around and hanging around until another team beats themselves, then they take advantage of that and lock it down with that bullpen advantage and that's game.

this appears to be the narrative. ridiculously insulting to the royals.


But true nonetheless.

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Cueto was a huge addition. Cubs really could've used a third starter like that.

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i've really grown to dislike the royals this postseason... they took out 3 teams i wouldn't mind seeing win the world series, and they did it by not being all that good (like go figure JORR said) cuz they weren't good enough to go out and sweep someone or 4-1 them on their own merits (in the world series the mets had to blow games 1 and 3 to achieve this), but then again they're not bad enough to go out and get beat.... they'll just keep hanging around and hanging around and hanging around until another team beats themselves, then they take advantage of that and lock it down with that bullpen advantage and that's game.

this appears to be the narrative. ridiculously insulting to the royals.


But true nonetheless.

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Yeah I'm not sure the Royals are getting enough credit here.

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109 days until pitchers and catchers report. 153 Days until Opening Day.


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well, y'know if our poor defenders didn't boot the ball we would've won.


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well, y'know if our poor defenders didn't boot the ball we would've won.


Defense doesn't really matter so that's a weak excuse anyway.

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NEW YORK — When it came down to it, Eric Hosmer's mad dash home was fueled by the knowledge that Lucas Duda is not a good first baseman, David Wright's arm is weak, and the Royals were playing with house money.

That's at least according to Kansas City first base coach Rusty Kuntz, who watched it all go down as the Royals captured a 7-2 win over the Mets in Game 5 for their first World Series title since 1985.

With one out in the ninth inning, the slow Eric Hosmer on third base and the Mets protecting a 2-1 lead, Salvador Perez hit a soft grounder at third baseman David Wright, who looked backed Hosmer and threw to first base.

Then Hosmer broke for home.

Duda received Wright's throw, got the out at first base and then tried firing it to catcher Travis d'Arnaud at home. But his throw was wide left, Hosmer scored, and a rocking Citi Field fell silent before watching the Royals erupt for another five runs to seal it in the 12th inning.

Hosmer's rush wasn't just a gut reaction. It wasn't just intuition.

It came from scouting, Kuntz said.

The Royals were aware of two things: Duda is slow and his arm isn't the best, and Wright — because of his back injury — was forced to adjust his throwing motion from over the top to side arm. The change made his throws weaker and gave them a sideways arc, making them take longer to get across the diamond.

"Our scouts told us that coming in: "Any time you can maybe ... " and they remember that stuff," Kuntz said. "And you go, 'Oh my god, he's really going to do it.' And then, bless Lucas' heart, he was wide left — not wide right — but wide left. That was pretty cool though."

Kuntz said they wouldn't have just tried a daring move like that on anybody, but Duda "is a good bat. One of those kinds of deals." Translation: K.C. wasn't concerned about his defensive ability.

Still, Kuntz said, he would have understood the criticism if Duda somehow had made a great throw and nabbed Hosmer at home. And, still, Kuntz said, the Royals would have been fine with the decision. Kuntz said it was a good baseball play.

"In that situation, yes," he said. "Because we hadn't done anything offensively. Nothing."

But it would have probably forced a Game 6, he was reminded.

"But that's ok because that's our safety net," Kuntz said. "But you know what, Game 6, if that play comes up again, we're playing Game 7. We're going to do it until they screw it up or until they rush it. I don't mean to say Duda screwed it up, but it's all about pressure at this level. "


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Yeah I'm not sure the Royals are getting enough credit here.


you give the royals credit, but there comes a point where you have to admit that houston had them dead to rights (b4 tony sipp happened) in the ALDS, and then new york should have found a way to close out games 1 and 4.

we can bemoan murphy booting that ball in the 8th inning of game 4, but at the same time a royal hit a weak grounder to 2nd with the tying run on second. it was a double-failure.

last time a team didn't choke against them (which again, it's a skill to hang around and force teams into melting down) there was a big ol country bumpkin sticking it up their giggy 3-4 times in the series. the giants didnt choke.

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Maybe Bullpens are as important as starters now.

No one questions teams with dominant starters.


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