What the hell do we do with this guy? Cones are better defenders than him.

Let him do what he does. Put the ball in the hole. Hide him on the defensive end.

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Yup. Good bench player.

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Except they can't hide him. The other team scores like crazy when he is on the floor.

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like a heroin addict without a belt he has a hard time creating his own shot.

tho last night i did see him get the ball take 2-3 steps and hit the shot so i reckon that's progress!

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Exactly.

We've got to remember this is essentially his rookie year. Don't ask for too much and he'll be fine.

You dont trade up in the first round to get a guy that you need to hide on defense.

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I would say that depends on what else is in the draft and where your picks are.

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Not ready to throw in the towel just yet. The plus minus thing is not a good indicator either. The Bulls bench is overrated. He struggles defensively but you can hide him some. The guy can score and he stretches the floor when he is out there. I actually would like to see Noah start with McDermott with Mirotic Snell coming off the bench. Gasol and Mirotic lineup is not effective at protecting the basket. Gasol and Noah are actually good at that because of their length. I'm a Mirotic guy but his ideal role at this stage would be as a sixth man.

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my guy that draft for the boo was james young.

just got called up from the d-league!

that's who'll i'll grade mcsuckets against.

Gasol and Noah are not a good combination on the floor together at the same time. They do not complement each other.

McDermott played with the starters yesterday, and the +/- indicator remains the same for him - bad. Mirotic has the same issues defensively at the moment, but is also better at creating his own shot and making the smart pass. He also can score at the basket...not just at 23' away.

I really don't like this team. The personnel don't fit the coach, and there are too many chuckers. Additionally, the team's "leader" is selfish and cares nothing about winning basketball.

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I hate when people say noah and gasol dont play well together. Of course they do theyre both great players. Problem is they match up best against the same type of people and most teams dont have two guys that need that matchup... So when gasol and noah are both out there there is always one mismatch.


Learn your nba people

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Wrong.

Both like to take the pass at the top of the key and distribute from there. They both prefer to start there sets at the top, and seem more comfortable when allowed to. They also don't seem to have good spacing underneath the basket.

Furthermore, in 2015 you cannot get away with having two true centers in the lineup at the same time.

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One game does not a season make. One of the reasons that Rose was able to get to the bucket was because of McDermott. They have to honor his shooting ability. A healthy Noah can guard fours. He is long and agile. If you'd paid attention to the game and not the narrative you would have seen Noah switch out on Durant at 27 feet and guard him off the dribble. If you can check Durant off the dribble you can check a stretch four. The Noah Gasol combo also does well at protecting the rim. They were one of the toughest teams to score against in the league last year. That was due to the shot blocking ability of Noah and Gasol. They are also one of the top rebounding combos in the league not to mention 2 of the top passing centers in the league.

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http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/s ... d-hoiberg/



It must really push your buttons that a more casual NBA fan such as myself just simply knows more about the game, and the Bulls, than you do.

But I just simply won't apologize for my innate understanding of professional basketball.

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#Truth

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I agree with you on the first thought, but I think Doug pairs nicely with Noah as people leave him so wide open. A pick and roll should work so well with them...

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Analytics in basketball stinks just ask Charles Barkley. If I remember right you were advocating for Kirk Hinrich to receive minutes last year. How did he fair analytically wise?

The eye test works better for me.

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NO....Never....end of story. At best, McBuckets looks like he might be a spot up 3 ball guy. We hope. You dont reach into thee top 10 for that, when the defense is that bad, you can project him as a starter and thus should not be picked. Cant have Starter minutes with Neg Nights.

In college he actually played much more down low....and I thought he would be guarded by some 2's and be able to be a bit physical and take a 6'5" guy down in the post but he gets beaten up so much he cant even turn when he is down low. 'Thus eveything is either a 3 ball or a drive.

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Wait...Charles fucking Barkley is your go-to for analysis?

Everything makes complete sense now.

Reggie caught him in like 3 or 4 completely different hypocritical statements during last night's game.

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Producing a statistic which provides a rather miniscule difference doesn't really advance the argument much. I don't think this rather meaningless stat enhances your innate understanding much either.

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I was actually joking with the Barkley stuff but analytics is not the be all end in sports. I know you spout them off when it supports your argument. I also noticed you ducked the Hinrich stuff. Hinrich's analytics were terrible yet I remember that you had no problem with him receiving significant playing time last year.

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well, all i know is you definitely cannot question the skill and ability of GarPax if McSuckits keeps sucking... because callers to B&B who suggested GarPax should go since they have never won anything.... were called idiots last year.

HAve fun


http://nbasavant.com/player.php?ddlYear=2015&ddlShotMade=&ddlTeamDefense=&player_id=203926

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That isn't a meaningless stat. If last season, Noah and Gasol played together for 20 minutes per game, that would mean approximately 42% of possessions. There are 95 possessions per game (offensive and defensive ratings are based on 100 possessions, so close enough). If Noah and Gasol together had a 2.9 NetRating and the Bulls had a 3.3 overall, it would mean the Bulls with any other combination of players averaged about a 3.6 net rating. So, 0.7 more points for their offense than their defense. So if those two were never paired together, over the course of a season that would be 57 more points scored for the Bulls than the opponent scored. That could easily be 5 more wins. Or 10 more wins. Or only two more wins.

But the fact is ... more wins, no matter how you slice it.

+/- and NetRatings do an excellent job of telling how a team does, overall, when a given player is on the court.

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It doesn't quite work that way though. You have to play sub-optimal lineups all the time. Players play differently when put into different roles. Some are volume players, others are not. You can't pro-rate these stats and say other lineups would keep up their productivity with higher usage.

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I wasn't not in favor of drafting McDermott. His suckage reputation is only relative to guys drafted later than him. If guys drafted later than he turn out to be decidedly better, then Paxson should be held to answer for drafting him. If none of the guys drafted later amount to anything then I don't know how Paxson committed such a sin by drafting McDermott.


The people that bash McDermott are also the same people that bashed Paxson for firing Thibs. There is a correlation between Pro-Thibs, Anti-Paxson, and Anti-McDermott factions at work here. Not saying you are part of this but if you trace the main bashers of McDermott, you will find that they are same ones that bash Paxson and conversely love Thibs.

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And you also can't say that they would do even better with more playing time. Getting more comfortable playing with each other more often...experience...etc.

So you work with the stats you have to project what you can. I'm comfortable watching McDermott with my eyes...and reading the statistics....and both tell me McDermott is bad overall for the Chicago Bulls. I like him in with 5 seconds left at the end of the quarter when the Bulls have possession. That is about it. If you could take him out for every defensive possession and put him in for every offensive possession...then we can talk about his benefits.

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Seems I gave him too much credit calling him the next Jud Buechler.

It really seems that Thibs thought he was bad so he must be bad. Steph Curry is one of the worst defensive players in the league. He won the MVP last year. I am not ready to proclaim McDermott a bust just yet.


Also in terms of the Bulls most guys non casual guys such as yourself think the Bulls are one of the better teams in the NBA. Vegas gave them the 6th best odds to win it all. Greg Anthony thinks they will be better also. I haven't really heard anyone state they will be worst this year. That is shocking considering they lost the 2nd best coach in the league. Something is rather amiss don't you think?

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