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BongoJohnny'sInvestor

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:56 pm

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There are things to like about Samardzija from the modern perspective. Low mileage on his arm. Good stuff. No injury history. I find it somewhat odd that so many people argue with me so vociferously about how meaningless W/L record is, when W/L record is really the only knock against Samardzija. If you're looking at things that are now considered under the pitcher's "control", Samardzija has more than decent numbers. His K/9 is in the top 30 of active guys. His K/BB ratio is in the top 30. His HR/9 is in the top 50. It really shouldn't be that one bludgeons me like I'm some kind of fossil for believing in the value of W/L record and then turns around and uses it to illustrate how shitty Jeff Samardzija is.

He sure does seem to be susceptible to the big inning, though.

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IMU

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:09 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

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FavreFan wrote:

Why do the Sox have to make the offer?

To get the draft pick.

How high of a pick can that be? He sucks.

That doesn't come into play.

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Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:16 pm

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That's cool, I guess. Damn, and people say NBA players are overpaid.

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Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:54 pm

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He's going back to the Cubs.

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Gloopan Kuratz

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:40 am

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I have no idea why the Cubs would want to pay him that much.

If Coop couldn't fix him, he's unfixable.

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KDdidit

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:42 am

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3 players did take the QO this year too, Sox dodged a bullet.

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312player

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:19 am

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Scorehead wrote:

He's going back to the Cubs.

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312player

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:15 am

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BongoJohnny'sInvestor wrote:

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He sure does seem to be susceptible to the big inning, though.

Who wrote that? ERA don't lie, he's never been good and never will be.

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THE INQUISITOR

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:12 pm

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Gloopan Kuratz wrote:

I have no idea why the Cubs would want to pay him that much.

If Coop couldn't fix him, he's unfixable.

The rumors are floating that Coop broke him.. tinkered with his mechanics and made him change his pitch mix to The Coop way... Coop had him cut down on the fourseamer and drastically cut down on his sinker while raising his sliders and almost doubling his cutter..... the result was obvious.

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Gloopan Kuratz

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:13 pm

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THE INQUISITOR wrote:

Gloopan Kuratz wrote:

I have no idea why the Cubs would want to pay him that much.

If Coop couldn't fix him, he's unfixable.

This couldn't be more wrong. Coop is the best pitching coach in the business.

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Gloopan Kuratz

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:13 pm

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Plus why pay $20 mil per for a No. 3 starter at best?

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bigfan

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:16 pm

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Rongey putting the brag out there that "he called it"...Is anyone surprised he didnt take the offer?

The guy has spent his whole career focused on becoming a free agent and seeing what the market will pay him. Sure, I understand the theory of having a better year then going into FA, but the time has come for him to see his worth finally, he wasnt going to skip it.

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Scorehead

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:46 pm

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Shark still lives in the city and loves it there. One of my Sons who lives in the city has run info Jeff a few times. Lets just say that Shark did not enjoy his year with Coop and the Sox.

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Frank Coztansa

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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:47 pm

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Really? It's all Coop's fault huh?

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Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:21 pm

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Scorehead wrote:

Shark still lives in the city and loves it there. One of my Sons who lives in the city has run info Jeff a few times. Lets just say that Shark did not enjoy his year with Coop and the Sox.

he lives in Scottsdale. While he rented in Chicago, he did live on Southport. Bought a place very early in his career, I think right out of ND. Sold it when he was traded.

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conns7901

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:24 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

Really? It's all Coop's fault huh?

You really think he would blame himself?

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cpguy

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:34 pm

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Someone will cough up 4 years at 15M+ for him. If he really wants to stay in Chicago and is open to a 1 year deal, then he'd be an option for the Cubs but I would not go 4 years for him thus I think he signs in SF or with the Yankees or elsewhere.

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Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:51 pm

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I'd be surprised if he ended up back with the Cubs. He hasn't been shy about wanting to get the possible deal in free agency, and he's there now. Although he's coming off a bad year, and a 1 year deal could help him get back some money he made have lost, there is still going to be a strong market for him and a lot of teams love his mentality and think this year was a fluke. I think he gets 4 or 5 years at 16-18 a season, and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes to the higher end.

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312player

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:26 pm

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Gloopan Kuratz wrote:

Plus why pay $20 mil per for a No. 3 starter at best?

Nobody is giving that chump 20 per.. Never happen

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Brick

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:26 pm

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Great news. Good trade.

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Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:27 pm

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cpguy wrote:

I think that's about what he will get, 4 years 60ish mill from San Diego or Zona.

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312player

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:28 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Great news. Good trade.

real bad trade

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Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

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Brick

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312player wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Great news. Good trade.

real bad trade

Why?

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312player

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:35 pm

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Semien and Phegley are everyday players on this Sox team, You got one AWFUL year from this clown...but he did lead mlb in ERA.

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KDdidit

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:36 pm

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312player wrote:

Semien and Phegley are everyday players on this Sox team

That's not a high bar.

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312player

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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:37 pm

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True... But they are both fairly young.

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Brick

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312player wrote:

Semien and Phegley are everyday players on this Sox team, You got one AWFUL year from this clown...but he did lead mlb in ERA.

Yeah, but isn't the pick they get more valuable than any of them?

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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:43 pm

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Not in my opinion... Not impossible to hit a home run @ 40 something pick ..not likely.. Probably draft a guy just like Semien or Phegley just 4 years away from what those guys are right now.

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conns7901

Post subject: Re: WILL SHARK TAKE $15.8 MILLION ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:44 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

312player wrote:

Semien and Phegley are everyday players on this Sox team, You got one AWFUL year from this clown...but he did lead mlb in ERA.

Yeah, but isn't the pick they get more valuable than any of them?

You make it seem like compensatory picks are sure things.

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Brick

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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:55 pm

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conns7901 wrote:

You make it seem like compensatory picks are sure things.

They aren't, but I doubt either of those players were the long term answers either.

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