I'm putting Gurley in my top 5 running backs of all time.

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It's obviously a combination of the two. If we are just going by career stats, there's nothing to debate and Elway isn't near the top 5. There's obviously context that can be added to any of this. Nobody can make a case that McCown is the best Bears QB ever. You can make a case that Rodgers is better than Peyton ever was.

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Most great QB's play worse in the playoffs because they dominate the tegular season. Manning is arguably the greatest regular season QB ever, won a Super Bowl, made another, and has basically every career record.

For now, I'd put him as third on that list behind Brady and Montana. Rodgers will probably eventually pass him.

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What point do you think you are making here? Rodgers has been all time great QB for seven seasons, not 5 games.

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At their peak?

Peyton has a better season on his record than Rodgers.

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Even if I agreed, Rodgers doesn't have near the longevity at this point. He's got a ways to go. And I think you're forgetting how damn good Manning was in his prime.

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Peyton's been to three Super Bowls.

Yeah, and Peyton has been all time great for more than twice that.

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Yeah, I forgot Seattle.

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Why?

Farve was the same guy in the reg season as post season
Manning falls off a cliff.

Farve was also an ironman..like no other. He wasn't a dome queen either like manning and with the rule changes the last 6 years ..he played in a tougher era.


Did you know manning IS The only qb ever to have more turnovers than touchdowns in a post season and have his team win the Superbowl ?

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He does. And Rodgeds has a better QB rating, QBR, completion %, ypa, td/int ratio for his career. I could keep going. If you want to view the game statistically, Rodgers is the best QB to ever play. His conbination of stats and already the number of years he put those stats up in is substantial. I don't fully believe that myself, because I think stats can be misleading, but you're simply wrong if you are suggesting it's not even a valid argument that one could make.

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Right, and Rodgers is better than Peyton and has done it for 7 seasons. It's pretty clear by now that it's not a fluke or a hot streak, so agin, not sure what point you are trying to make. Rodgers has played long enough where this is who he is.

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Won't Bree's bust all of Manning's records?

I'd take Kurt Warner over manning.

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Which is why his whole career is important. Rodgers may see a decline as he gets older. Those numbers could change which is why it is fair to say "If he plays long enough he'll pass him".
No. Not for a season. Not for a career.

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Most great QB's play worse in the playoffs because they dominate the tegular season. Manning is arguably the greatest regular season QB ever, won a Super Bowl, made another, and has basically every career record.

For now, I'd put him as third on that list behind Brady and Montana. Rodgers will probably eventually pass him.[/quote]

Peyton's been to three Super Bowls.[/quote]






Was he watching Eli in one?

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Lol just stop. Warner's probably underappreciated all time, but it's clear you just hate Peyton. That's cool.

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That's not really how QBs fade out these days. Warner was one of the best when he retired. Brady is the best QB in the NFL right now. Manning is physically broken down, but as recently as two years ago he was awesome. Ben and Rivers keep getting better. Favre had one of his best seasons with Minnesota. QBs don't fall off a cliff stat wise and keep playing. He's not gonna have three seasons with an 80 QB rating at the end of his career to take him down below Peyton. And you're wrong about the career. Unless you're just counting volume stats, Rodgers is the best statistical QB to ever play. You can't say no to that.

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If you want to get statistical, here they are from the same same ages(25-32)
Peyton:
2825/4281 33341 yards 248 touchdowns 107 int

Rodgers:
2449/3727 30515 yards 245 touchdowns 60 int

So, pretty close so far outside of the interceptions.

So, as I was saying, if Rodgers keeps it up I think he surpasses him but he hasn't yet.

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Rodgers looks like shit lately.

"pretty close outside of the single worst thing a QB can do, which Peyton did almost twice as much"



It's ok Rick, but I think I got this one.

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Lop @ outside of ints.. That's thee most important one.

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Manning has always choked in big games, going back to Tennessee vs Florida.

He's like a different Person when the Stakes are high, I never liked him but didn't start to hate him until the NFL and Media hyped him.. He's over rated, its made me hate him. Look at his turnovers in the post season.

Eli is opposite, he's better when the stakes are raised.

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Which is why Rodgers will pass Manning if he plays at a high level for long enough!

He's currently ahead of him but it is not far enough ahead to declare that no matter what happens going forward that Rodgers is better than Manning.

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This has to be the most CSFMB argument of all time, because I actually agree with you placing Manning ahead for now. Just sayin', a case could be made.

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Well, this was worth it.

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You're both terrible.

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rick starting an up-n-back argument with someone he technically agrees with? wow who woulda thunk that possible?

anyways, i think that today peyton had 3 INTs in the first half (and at least 4 total for the game, but i gave up on following it @ 22-0 chiefs midway thru the 4th) so yeah i think this has gotta be the the end of the road for him unless he can convince everyone that he had some sort of nagging injury all year and he wants 1 more year (at 15-25mil or whatever =) to prove that he can go out in style....but then again since "throwing" seems to be his #1 problem right now idk if that bodes well for a quarterback who isn't a mobile guy in the vick mold or anything.

...and even if he was isn't he like 38-40 years old? yeah.... i reckon it's nigh time to stick a fork in this guy..... that is right after he serves up a couple'a INTs to the bears, but then again i dont think the bears are really into that whole "intercepting passes" thing.... c'est la vie.

fortunately both CJ anderson and ronnie hillman woke up this year and remembered that they're CJ anderson and ronnie hillman, so mediocrity-at-best with occasional flashes of 2014 !!! ensues. without the threat of a top-3 NFL QB in peyton there i think ppl are just daring peyton to chuck it all over the field on them and as it'd been observed/stated, peyton has gotten quite generous with opposing defenses in his old age. godspeed bears, godspeed!

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Agreed. Fuck that guy.

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Has a torn Plantar Fascia.

The nightmare season for Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning is getting worse.

Manning has a torn plantar fascia in his right foot, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports. According to Schefter, Manning had already been diagnosed with plantar fasciitis, but the condition has now worsened.

There’s no immediate word on how long a torn plantar fascia will cause Manning to be out. The NBA’s Pau Gasol missed about six weeks with a torn plantar fascia in 2013; if Manning misses that much time he’d be out for the regular season but back for the playoffs.

Of course, if Brock Osweiler plays well in Manning’s absence, the Broncos might not put Manning back on the field for the playoffs. And if Osweiler plays poorly, the Broncos could still miss the playoffs.

Which means it’s possible that Manning’s season, and career, ended yesterday.

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