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"Faster broadband connections for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!"

yes, I am aware that is part of her innovative $275B infrastructure plan to fix the bridges and roads...but her camp has emphasized the BROADBAND part in the headlines of the press release

Hillary Clinton pledges broadband for all Americans

Better internet service is a huge problem in America that the goverment needs to be involved in!

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"Faster broadband connections for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!"

yes, I am aware that is part of her innovative $275B infrastructure plan to fix the bridges and roads...but her camp has emphasized the BROADBAND part in the headlines of the press release

Hillary Clinton pledges broadband for all Americans

Better internet service is a huge problem in America that the goverment needs to be involved in!
This is actually a very good thing that is very much needed.

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bigfan wrote:
"Faster broadband connections for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!"

yes, I am aware that is part of her innovative $275B infrastructure plan to fix the bridges and roads...but her camp has emphasized the BROADBAND part in the headlines of the press release

Hillary Clinton pledges broadband for all Americans

Better internet service is a huge problem in America that the goverment needs to be involved in!
This is actually a very good thing that is very much needed.


I don't care about farm country. They can continue to cling to their guns.

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bigfan wrote:
"Faster broadband connections for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!"

yes, I am aware that is part of her innovative $275B infrastructure plan to fix the bridges and roads...but her camp has emphasized the BROADBAND part in the headlines of the press release

Hillary Clinton pledges broadband for all Americans

Better internet service is a huge problem in America that the goverment needs to be involved in!
This is actually a very good thing that is very much needed.


yeah....NEEDED....Lagging on Call of Duty sucks! I agree

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Clearly a move meant to attract Berniebros.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
bigfan wrote:
"Faster broadband connections for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!"

yes, I am aware that is part of her innovative $275B infrastructure plan to fix the bridges and roads...but her camp has emphasized the BROADBAND part in the headlines of the press release

Hillary Clinton pledges broadband for all Americans

Better internet service is a huge problem in America that the goverment needs to be involved in!
This is actually a very good thing that is very much needed.


I don't care about farm country. They can continue to cling to their guns.
Our internet infrastructure lags far behind most industrialized countries and improvements to it have major benefits for all of us.

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Rick loves Hillary

He would.

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Then I am sure Hill just meant to do something great for the country and didnt care of the implications of the Press Release.

Ever tried to play Minecraft with 6 people in one house! It sucks! In Europe they can do it.!

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There is no reason that broadband infrastructure shouldn't be considered as important as road, electric, gas, and other vital infrastructures.

This is even more vital as we enter the age of smart devices.

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Hillary Clinton Again Invokes 9/11 to Explain Her Wall Street Fundraising
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Hillary Clinton Again Invokes 9/11 to Explain Her Wall Street Fundraising
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At a Democratic presidential debate in Iowa last month, Hillary Clinton was challenged to account for the fact that a large proportion of her campaign fundraising haul has come from the financial sector. She responded with a non sequitur about 9/11. Asked to elaborate, she seemed to argue that her popularity in the finance sector is primarily a result of personal relationships developed in the aftermath of that tragedy in lower Manhattan.


Hillary Clinton Explains Why Wall Street Loves Her: 9/11
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This is a ludicrous response, designed not to actually convince anyone but to change the subject. It’s also a repulsive response, bringing to mind the worst demagoguery of the Bush era, and the debating tactics of world-historical assholes like former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani. (Seriously, it’s straight from Giuliani’s playbook, and even Republicans had gotten tired of that shit circa eight years ago.)

For those who wished to give the Democratic frontrunner the benefit of the doubt—maybe she was chastened by the response to her statement and regrets it?—Clinton has just made that as difficult as possible. In an interview taped yesterday and released today by CBS, Clinton repeats the exact same pseudo-justification for her Wall Street-heavy donor base.



“I have stood for a lot of regulation on big banks and on the financial services sector. I also represented New York and represented everybody from the dairy farmers to the fishermen...And so, yes, do I know people? And did I help rebuild after 9/11? Yes, I did,” Clinton said.

That's a great answer to the question why does so much of your fundraising come from Wall Street. Bill would be proud.



It now seems unlikely that her original invocation of 9/11 was some sort of mistake or misguided extemporaneous remark. It seems more likely that it was, in fact, a rehearsed—and focus-grouped, probably—rhetorical maneuver. In this instance, this week, she’s not even bringing up 9/11 as any sort of explanation; she just drops it in, unbidden, to remind people that she held political office on That Fateful Day.

There are many far less reprehensible ways to spin your banker connections. Clinton and her campaign are smart enough to have thought of most of them. The fact that :eye: they’re sticking with this one is a pretty clear indication of the amount of respect they have for the Democratic electorate.


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There is no reason that broadband infrastructure shouldn't be considered as important as road, electric, gas, and other vital infrastructures.

This is even more vital as we enter the age of smart devices.


This is a good thing, indeed. Like cell phones, internet access is not a luxury, it's a necessity. This has nothing to do with video games.

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Hillary Clinton Again Invokes 9/11 to Explain Her Wall Street Fundraising
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Hillary Clinton Again Invokes 9/11 to Explain Her Wall Street Fundraising
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At a Democratic presidential debate in Iowa last month, Hillary Clinton was challenged to account for the fact that a large proportion of her campaign fundraising haul has come from the financial sector. She responded with a non sequitur about 9/11. Asked to elaborate, she seemed to argue that her popularity in the finance sector is primarily a result of personal relationships developed in the aftermath of that tragedy in lower Manhattan.


Hillary Clinton Explains Why Wall Street Loves Her: 9/11
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This is a ludicrous response, designed not to actually convince anyone but to change the subject. It’s also a repulsive response, bringing to mind the worst demagoguery of the Bush era, and the debating tactics of world-historical assholes like former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani. (Seriously, it’s straight from Giuliani’s playbook, and even Republicans had gotten tired of that shit circa eight years ago.)

For those who wished to give the Democratic frontrunner the benefit of the doubt—maybe she was chastened by the response to her statement and regrets it?—Clinton has just made that as difficult as possible. In an interview taped yesterday and released today by CBS, Clinton repeats the exact same pseudo-justification for her Wall Street-heavy donor base.



“I have stood for a lot of regulation on big banks and on the financial services sector. I also represented New York and represented everybody from the dairy farmers to the fishermen...And so, yes, do I know people? And did I help rebuild after 9/11? Yes, I did,” Clinton said.

That's a great answer to the question why does so much of your fundraising come from Wall Street. Bill would be proud.



It now seems unlikely that her original invocation of 9/11 was some sort of mistake or misguided extemporaneous remark. It seems more likely that it was, in fact, a rehearsed—and focus-grouped, probably—rhetorical maneuver. In this instance, this week, she’s not even bringing up 9/11 as any sort of explanation; she just drops it in, unbidden, to remind people that she held political office on That Fateful Day.

There are many far less reprehensible ways to spin your banker connections. Clinton and her campaign are smart enough to have thought of most of them. The fact that :eye: they’re sticking with this one is a pretty clear indication of the amount of respect they have for the Democratic electorate.


Technically, she isn't wrong, but using 9/11 for political gain is pathetic.

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Inernet infrastructure in the US is doing just fine without Hillary. Bernie should one up her and tout free internet for everyone!

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Inernet infrastructure in the US is doing just fine without Hillary.

It is? Or do you mean that you personally are ok with it?


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Inernet infrastructure in the US is doing just fine without Hillary.
It really isn't.

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Inernet infrastructure in the US is doing just fine without Hillary. Bernie should one up her and tout free internet for everyone!


Something tells me Rick may know a little bit more about this than you. I could be wrong though.

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Inernet infrastructure in the US is doing just fine without Hillary.

It is? Or do you mean that you personally are ok with it?


What is so wrong with internet infrastructure in the US?

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Scorehead wrote:
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Inernet infrastructure in the US is doing just fine without Hillary.

It is? Or do you mean that you personally are ok with it?


What is so wrong with internet infrastructure in the US?

Ill defer to Rick because Im no expert on this subject and I believe he works in an industry where he would know,


Instead of ya know...just saying something without knowing


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Inernet infrastructure in the US is doing just fine without Hillary.
It really isn't.


He means that his infrastructure is fine, so that we shouldn't worry about it. Fuck everybody else. They should be smart and hard working, like he is.

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Instead of ya know...just saying something without knowing


When has that ever stopped someone on a message board?


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Inernet infrastructure in the US is doing just fine without Hillary.

It is? Or do you mean that you personally are ok with it?


What is so wrong with internet infrastructure in the US?
It is significantly slower than many if not most of the economic rivals of the United States. It is a major source of inequality for people we expect to "work hard" to improve themselves. It's expensive for all of us. It's unlikely to be able to handle the future of "connected things" without major upgrades.

This isn't just Hillary saying "We need faster youtube videos". This is a largely accepted truth by the technology community that our infrastructure is in need of major upgrades.

Even your internet pretty much sucks now, but if you pay enough it is decent enough for you not to care.

I mean, we probably could live without doing anything, just like we could have lived without improving the expressway system since the 70s, or the electricity grid since the 50s, but it would have slowed progress by a significant margin.

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Inernet infrastructure in the US is doing just fine without Hillary.

It is? Or do you mean that you personally are ok with it?

What is so wrong with internet infrastructure in the US?

Ill defer to Rick because Im no expert on this subject and I believe he works in an industry where he would know,

Instead of ya know...just saying something without knowing


Part of my business is selling routers, modems, and wireless products in the industrial automation space. Nothing residential though. I spend time with IT guys and engineers and none of them complain about our Internet infrastructure.

On the personal side, I travel a lot throughout the US, a lot big cities small cities, rural areas, you name it, and I can always get a signal. So who are these poor souls who don't have internet access? Where are those areas? I'm pretty sure the companies who are in business to provide Internet access have everything covered.

With all the problems and pressing issues this country has, for a politician to make Internet access a campaign issue is just ridiculous. Maybe next she'll go after FanDuel and draftkings!

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Score another for Scorehead.

Btw, are you on the retail end SH or do you work for an internet provider? Or neither?

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Part of my business is selling routers, modems, and wireless products in the industrial automation space. Nothing residential though. I spend time with IT guys and engineers and none of them complain about our Internet infrastructure.
Then it either hasn't come up or your IT people are clueless.

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On the personal side, I travel a lot throughout the US, a lot big cities small cities, rural areas, you name it, and I can always get a signal. So who are these poor souls who don't have internet access? Where are those areas? I'm pretty sure the companies who are in business to provide Internet access have everything covered.
Yeah me too. Why does that matter?

You also probably pay about $10-$20 a gig for that cell phone data service. Your house could be using up to 100 gigs in a month depending on what you and your family do with it.

It's not that our broadband service is unusable. It's just that it isn't very good. Imagine if Japan, China, and others had safer, more reliable roads that you could also travel 100 MPH on and the United States had roads that tapped out in almost all areas at 20 MPH.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-romanias-internet-is-so-much-faster-than-americas

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Part of my business is selling routers, modems, and wireless products in the industrial automation space. Nothing residential though. I spend time with IT guys and engineers and none of them complain about our Internet infrastructure.

On the personal side, I travel a lot throughout the US, a lot big cities small cities, rural areas, you name it, and I can always get a signal. So who are these poor souls who don't have internet access? Where are those areas? I'm pretty sure the companies who are in business to provide Internet access have everything covered.

With all the problems and pressing issues this country has, for a politician to make Internet access a campaign issue is just ridiculous. Maybe next she'll go after FanDuel and draftkings!

I think you are vastly underestimating the importance of internet access.

You're kind of treating it like it's TV.

Like If Hillary said "everyone should have HBO" then Id be sounding like you are about this.


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Score another for Scorehead.

Btw, are you on the retail end SH or do you work for an internet provider? Or neither?
He kind of showed himself when he said "My cell phone has a signal across the country". Not exactly what an expert would EVER say.

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Score another for Scorehead.

Btw, are you on the retail end SH or do you work for an internet provider? Or neither?

Come on man

If you google American Internet Infrastructure, literally the whole first page is about how slow and bad it is.

Why America's Internet Is So Shitty and Slow - Gizmodo


Why the US isn't the world leader in speedy internet access ...
qz.com/.../why-the-us-isnt-the-world-leader-in-speedy-internet-access/
Dec 30, 2013 - If you've heard about the backward state of US internet infrastructure, you've probably read the anecdotes about Riga, the Latvian capital has ...


Sep 23, 2015 - Mapping the internet's infrastructure has been thought of as a ... All in all, the picture
The United States accounts for much of the innovation in web technology today, yet the country ranks as low as 16th in the world in percent of residents with ...
Why is American internet so slow? - The Week

The Week

Mar 5, 2014 - But Verizon stopped building out fiber optic infrastructure in 2010 — citing high ... wireless networks to offer fast 4G internet across the U.S.
Why the U.S. Has Fallen Behind in Internet Speed and ...


The New York Times
Oct 30, 2014 - America's slow and expensive Internet is more than just an annoyance .... homes have no competitive choice for the essential infrastructure for ...
Reviewed.com: U.S. Internet speeds lag developed world


USA Today
Aug 7, 2013 - Consumers across Europe and Asia are enjoying Internet speeds much ... the U.S. remains mired in a substandard infrastructure that makes ...
Glaring vulnerability in America's Internet infrastructure ...


Why Internet Access in the U.S. Is Slow and Expensive ...


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Feb 11, 2013 - But whether it's due to our aging copper infrastructure or the ... America's Internet is extremely costly for the speeds we get, which is partly to ...


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