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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:45 pm 
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Winston Top 5 NFL QB in a couple of years.


QB's on Lovie teams are handicapped. No way Winston is ever top 5. He was awful today.

In a few years:
ARod
Cam
Ben
Carr
Bortles


Winston had protection issues. But he throws a good deep ball.

I'm telling you he will be top 5. This is only his first year.

What the hell is up with Rodgers?? He sucks now.


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Regular Reader wrote:
Scorehead wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Winston Top 5 NFL QB in a couple of years.


QB's on Lovie teams are handicapped. No way Winston is ever top 5. He was awful today.

In a few years:
ARod
Cam
Ben
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No, age
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No, age & injuries, probably retired
Possibly
No. It won't necessarily be his fault, but unless they draft them, he'll never get real targets to J'Ville imo.

:lol: :lol:

How old do you think Rodgers is? He's going to be the best QB in the league for a minimum of five more years barring serious injury.

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ARod and the Packers offense is a mess right now and has been for many games this season. OL and WR are killing them.
Once again, for I dont know how many years in a row now, Dom Capers defense is garbage. Dom must have pictures of Ted Thompson.

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I forgot the game was on. Did Lovie have that blank stare at the scoreboard thing going on?


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I forgot the game was on. Did Lovie have that blank stare at the scoreboard thing going on?


Of course...but watching football is better on the big screen so I'm with him there.

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ARod and the Packers offense is a mess right now and has been for many games this season. OL and WR are killing them.
Once again, for I dont know how many years in a row now, Dom Capers defense is garbage. Dom must have pictures of Ted Thompson.

It can not be stressed enough how consistently retarded your thoughts are on nearly everything.


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ARod and the Packers offense is a mess right now and has been for many games this season. OL and WR are killing them.
Once again, for I dont know how many years in a row now, Dom Capers defense is garbage. Dom must have pictures of Ted Thompson.

It can not be stressed enough how consistently retarded your thoughts are on nearly everything.


So you think ARod and fhe Packers offense is clicking right now? :lol:

You like the Packers OL and WR's? :lol:

Do you like the Packers defense? Capers sucks and should have been fired years ago.

I think your cheese wedge is too tight and is impairing your thinking.

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The final score was 38-8.

14 of those points were scored by the Cardinals defense returning fumbles.

The defense gave up 24 points which is 7 less than the Cardinals average (31 points).

Rarely will an NFL team win a game with the offense scoring 8 points.

Do I like the WRs and OL? No, but injuries have neutralized their effectiveness. That shit happens. Last year the offense was extremely healthy and their performance showed.

Glad I could clear that up for you. What other topic would you like to talk out of your ass so I could correct you?


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The final score was 38-8.

14 of those points were scored by the Cardinals defense returning fumbles.

The defense gave up 24 points which is 7 less than the Cardinals average (31 points).

Rarely will an NFL team win a game with the offense scoring 8 points.

Do I like the WRs and OL? No, but injuries have neutralized their effectiveness. That shit happens. Last year the offense was extremely healthy and their performance showed.

Glad I could clear that up for you. What other topic would you like to talk out of your ass so I could correct you?


Yes, injuries to the OL and WR's is why they suck at both positions. We are talking about this year, not last.
The Packers defense has been terrible for a long time now under capers. The stats and numbers are what they are and say what they say. I know many Packers fans dont know any better and love all that is green and gold...but objectivity should be your friend, not your foe.

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It's funny to me how packers fans that have had a great ride for a while can't fathom the end. The end is here.

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Per Football Outsider's DVOA they have the 13th ranked defense.

Per PTS/G before today they had the 5th ranked defense.

Please shut up.


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It's funny to me how packers fans that have had a great ride for a while can't fathom the end. The end is here.

They've already clinched a playoff berth and possibly the division next week. I see we're drunk already Michael.


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Kirkwood wrote:
Per Football Outsider's DVOA they have the 13th ranked defense.

Per PTS/G before today they had the 5th ranked defense.

Please shut up.


There are a dozen different ways to rank defenses. You need to look at each individual stat. I can find rankings that show them in the bottom 1/3. So can you.
Capers is the DC version of Jeff Fisher. For whatever reason, people think he's great, until you dig deeper and find out that he has had many awful defenses.

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Scorehead wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Per Football Outsider's DVOA they have the 13th ranked defense.

Per PTS/G before today they had the 5th ranked defense.

Please shut up.


There are a dozen different ways to rank defenses. You need to look at each individual stat. I can find rankings that show them in the bottom 1/3. So can you.
Capers is the DC version of Jeff Fisher. For whatever reason, people think he's great, until you dig deeper and find out that he has had many awful defenses.

But you won't because you can't. Good talk.


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Kirkwood wrote:
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Per Football Outsider's DVOA they have the 13th ranked defense.

Per PTS/G before today they had the 5th ranked defense.

Please shut up.


There are a dozen different ways to rank defenses. You need to look at each individual stat. I can find rankings that show them in the bottom 1/3. So can you.
Capers is the DC version of Jeff Fisher. For whatever reason, people think he's great, until you dig deeper and find out that he has had many awful defenses.

But you won't because you can't. Good talk.


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Scorehead, you're my guy. I tell can why you've excelled so well in the corporate world. You full of shit 24/7. It's quite impressive how you can vomit shit out on a consistent basis and yet your sense of smell has no idea. I wish I had the ability to talk like a know-it-all asshole while being wrong 100% of the time. Unfortunately, I have this innate fear of being wrong and embarrassed. You on the other lack any sense of self-awareness and it's incredible how you can be so wrong yet convinced you solved the meaning of life.

It's an admirable quality for the corporate world for which I'm very jealous of.


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You can't just make shit up Scorehead. We can all check the stats. It's obvious when Kirkwood called you out that you had no idea what the Packers defense has even done this year.

The ride is over, Mike? Rodgers is 32 years old. The ride won't be over for another 7-8 years.

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Dom took over as Packers DC in 2009 I believe. I need to find 2009 and 2010 stats, but here are the last 4 years stats. They arent good. The biggest defiency on the Packers since Dom arrived in 2009 is the defense, not offense.

Since Super Bowl XLV the Packers defense has taken a very different trajectory, as evidenced by their league defensive rankings of the past four seasons:

2011- 32nd (14th against the run, 32nd against the pass) 22.4 ppg (19th in scoring defense.)
2012- 11th (10th against the pass,17th against the run) 21 ppg (11th)
2013- 25th (24th against the run, 25th against the pass) 26.8 ppg (24th)
2014- 15th (10th against the pass, 23rd against the run) 21.8 ppg (13th)

Average yds. per pass attempt: 2011-7.2 (30th), 2012- 5.7 (7th), 2013- 6.8 (25th), 2014-6.0 (8th).
Average yds, per rush attempt: 2011- 4.7 (26th), 2012-4.5 (25th), 2013- 4.6 (29th), 2014- 4.3 (20th).
Touchdown passes allowed: 29 (2011), 24(2012),30(2013), 26(2014).
Rushing td's allowed: 10(2011), 12 (2012), 16(2013), 11 (2014).

Interceptions: 31 (2011), 18 (2012), 11 (2013), 18 (2014)
Sacks: 29 (2011), 46 (2012), 44(2013), 41 (2014).

Turnovers and defensive td's: 2011- 38/5, 2012- 24/2, 2013-22/2, 2014- 27/4.

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Scorehead, you're my guy. I tell can why you've excelled so well in the corporate world. You full of shit 24/7. It's quite impressive how you can vomit shit out on a consistent basis and yet your sense of smell has no idea. I wish I had the ability to talk like a know-it-all asshole while being wrong 100% of the time. Unfortunately, I have this innate fear of being wrong and embarrassed. You on the other lack any sense of self-awareness and it's incredible how you can be so wrong yet convinced you solved the meaning of life.

It's an admirable quality for the corporate world for which I'm very jealous of.


Well, I am in sales...

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Kirkwood wrote:
Scorehead, you're my guy. I tell can why you've excelled so well in the corporate world. You full of shit 24/7. It's quite impressive how you can vomit shit out on a consistent basis and yet your sense of smell has no idea. I wish I had the ability to talk like a know-it-all asshole while being wrong 100% of the time. Unfortunately, I have this innate fear of being wrong and embarrassed. You on the other lack any sense of self-awareness and it's incredible how you can be so wrong yet convinced you solved the meaning of life.

It's an admirable quality for the corporate world for which I'm very jealous of.


Scorehead values "optimism" over being "correct." It's a truly strange universe he lives in.

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Scorehead, you're my guy. I tell can why you've excelled so well in the corporate world. You full of shit 24/7. It's quite impressive how you can vomit shit out on a consistent basis and yet your sense of smell has no idea. I wish I had the ability to talk like a know-it-all asshole while being wrong 100% of the time. Unfortunately, I have this innate fear of being wrong and embarrassed. You on the other lack any sense of self-awareness and it's incredible how you can be so wrong yet convinced you solved the meaning of life.

It's an admirable quality for the corporate world for which I'm very jealous of.


Scorehead values "optimism" over being "correct." It's a truly strange universe he lives in.


I just posted the great Dom Capers defensive stats with the Packers. Defense has been the Packers biggest problem for many years...not the offense.

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Scorehead wrote:
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Kirkwood wrote:
Scorehead, you're my guy. I tell can why you've excelled so well in the corporate world. You full of shit 24/7. It's quite impressive how you can vomit shit out on a consistent basis and yet your sense of smell has no idea. I wish I had the ability to talk like a know-it-all asshole while being wrong 100% of the time. Unfortunately, I have this innate fear of being wrong and embarrassed. You on the other lack any sense of self-awareness and it's incredible how you can be so wrong yet convinced you solved the meaning of life.

It's an admirable quality for the corporate world for which I'm very jealous of.


Scorehead values "optimism" over being "correct." It's a truly strange universe he lives in.


I just posted the great Dom Capers defensive stats with the Packers. Defense has been the Packers biggest problem for many years...not the offense.


Except for 2013 I don't find anything to be ashamed about. Teams playing GB will score more if you score at the pace the Packers typically do, so I'd take 18-22 points given up any day.

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by Joe Redemann on Feb 4th, 2015

Is Dom Capers finished in Green Bay?

There’s something admirable about defiance in someone. When the world tells someone to do one thing or act one way, and they proudly stand up and declare who they are and that it won’t be changed, that can be an admirable trait. It’s a sort of Wild West mythological, cowboy attitude that this person will not be shaken from their position because they would rather be wrong and be individual than be right as a member of the herd.

Well, Dom Capers, I’m here to tell you: you may once have been a cowboy, but you’re now just as unique as every other sheep. And what do we do with sheep? We shear them and put them back in their pen.

That folksy idiom got weird.

My point, however, is that Dom Capers –- defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers -– has a reputation of having been a defensive genius that appears long outdated. Every year, fans and writers alike call for Capers’ job as Packers defenses get shredded by the opposition. But is that fair? Is Capers still the rootin’est, tootin’est defensive sheriff in town, or is he truly one of the final frontiers of the coordinating old guard?

The Good, the Bad, the Really Ugly

Dom Capers has been in the NFL as a coach or coordinator nearly every year since 1992. Think about that. The last time he had only a position coaching gig, the live-action/CGI Casper movie had just come out –- and it was incredible. Since then, though, Capers has worked for seven different teams in those 22 years, and that’s actually not that stable when one considers that he’s spent six of those alone with the Green Bay Packers.

So, why does he keep getting high profile jobs if he’s repeatedly fired from his previous ones? We turn to our signature metric here at numberFire, Net Expected Points (NEP) to answer just that question. NEP is a measure of how a team’s effort on the field truly affected their chances of winning, by looking at expected points and win probability instead of just examining yards and points.

The numbers we’ll look at today are not raw NEP numbers, they are adjusted for opponent; with Defensive NEP, the more negative it is, the better. I took each year that he was a defensive coordinator or head coach, going back to 2000, and plotted it out below. How does “Door County Dom’s” defensive history hold up when we look at his Adjusted Defensive NEP?

YearAdj. Def NEPAdj. Def Pass NEPAdj. Def Rush NEP2000JAX-15.73 (17th)13.52 (21st)-26.79 (13th)2002HOU-30.53 (9th)-8.68 (11th)-5.82 (14th)2003HOU53.72 (26th)40.56 (26th)34.17 (30th)2004HOU-33.87 (8th)-5.54 (11th)-11.20 (14th)2005HOU123.54 (32nd)69.95 (30th)46.92 (32nd)2007MIA76.49 (30th)47.55 (24th)33.88 (31st)2009GB-84.24 (3rd)-27.44 (7th)-37.61 (4th)2010GB-70.26 (2nd)-52.61 (1st)-1.49 (18th)2011GB63.10 (24th)58.11 (25th)38.45 (30th)2012GB38.37 (19th)17.12 (11th)12.65 (23rd)2013GB94.96 (27th)77.03 (27th)25.68 (27th)2014GB36.52 (15th)39.51 (15th)8.63 (22nd)Last 5 YearsAvg.32.54 (17th)27.83 (16th)16.78 (24th)

Look, it’s not as though Capers has been bad over the course of his career. With the Houston Texans, he had two years out of five that he made an expansion team (read: bottom-of-the-barrel talent) into a top-10 defensive unit by Adjusted Defensive NEP. That’s absolutely impressive. Upon coming to Green Bay as well, he took a unit that had ranked 29th in this metric in 2007 and 31st in 2008 and helped them achieve two top-five finishes in the next two years.

The problem with Capers’ history is that these turnarounds are hardly sustained. Along with the two top-10 seasons he cobbled together in Houston, his other three years were bottom-quarter of the league production. In his final year with the Texans, they were dead last in Adjusted Defensive NEP. Similarly, in Green Bay, they plummeted from second in the league in 2010 to 24th in 2011, and the Packers haven’t risen into the top half of the league since then.

Dirty Dom

So, what does a Dom Capers defense look like exactly? A former defensive backs coach, Capers, by far, is much better at scheming to defend the pass than the run. In his 12 seasons that we have NEP data for, Capers has had two top-10 defenses by Adjusted Defensive Passing NEP, and just one by Adjusted Defensive Rushing NEP. He also has had just four top-half season against the run, and six against the pass. He thrives on these spectacular seasons that force a great amount of turnovers and blitzes, but those tend to be inconsistent and unsustainable from season-to-season.

The most disturbing thing in all this is how many bottom-quarter units in both phases of defense he’s had. Five of his seasons in Adjusted Defensive Passing NEP have ranked in the bottom quarter of the league; he has been either mediocre or atrocious for the most of his career in his strong phase. For the rushing side, it’s worse: six seasons have seen his unit in the bottom quarter of the league, putting his run defense fail spectacularly for half of his career.

The hallmark of a Dom Capers defense is inconsistency. As any Packer fan will tell you, there will be games like the 2014-15 NFC Championship where the secondary will pick off a bundle of passes and the pass rushers will drop a ton of sacks on an opposing offense. The problem is that then there will be a long string of games like the 2013-14 NFC Divisional Round game against the 49ers, where opposing quarterback Colin Kaepernick will run for more than 150 yards on your defense, and somehow still throw for 250-plus. It’s a model of inconsistency on a game-to-game and season-to-season basis, and the numbers bear that out.

Riding Off Into the Sunset

Capers has never been an elite defensive mind like Dick LeBeau, or Rex Ryan, or any of the modern marvels in those roles since the dawn of the 21st Century. Genuinely, his reputation seems highly undeserved, as his playmaking defenses –- while spectacular to watch, and satisfying when they succeed –- are prone to rapid collapse and unsustainable production.

In just one season has Capers had a top-10 defensive unit by both Adjusted Defensive Passing and Rushing NEP, and that was his initial year with Green Bay, a defensive unit he largely inherited. In only three seasons has he even had a unit with top-half marks in both phases of the game.

Not only should Capers be done as a defensive coordinator, he should have never been hired by the Packers. I respect him for the unit that got the team to the Super Bowl, which was a squad of interception-snagging, fumble-forcing, sack artists, but he’s survived in the position on the laurels of that one season for far too long. It’s time for this old cowpoke to hang up the spurs and call it quits in the NFL.

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Scorehead wrote:
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The final score was 38-8.

14 of those points were scored by the Cardinals defense returning fumbles.

The defense gave up 24 points which is 7 less than the Cardinals average (31 points).

Rarely will an NFL team win a game with the offense scoring 8 points.

Do I like the WRs and OL? No, but injuries have neutralized their effectiveness. That shit happens. Last year the offense was extremely healthy and their performance showed.

Glad I could clear that up for you. What other topic would you like to talk out of your ass so I could correct you?


Yes, injuries to the OL and WR's is why they suck at both positions. We are talking about this year, not last.
The Packers defense has been terrible for a long time now under capers. The stats and numbers are what they are and say what they say. I know many Packers fans dont know any better and love all that is green and gold...but objectivity should be your friend, not your foe.


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My greatest fear is Dom will get the Dolphins job because no one else will want it. Franchise is a train wreck and the owner is the stupidest rich fuck in the NFL.


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The Stats Don’t Lie for the Packers Defense Under Dom Capers

JANUARY 08, 2014   JREHOR

“Once again, we’re not even 72 hours away from the game. Dom Capers is an OUTSTANDING FOOTBALL COACH…. “You guys did this to me last year. I’m not going into this thing looking to make big changes.”

These are the words Mike McCarthy used to defend his position on Dom Capers, his much maligned Defensive Coordinator, during his season ending press conference today.

For the third consecutive season since winning Super Bowl XLV, the Packers made an early exit from the playoffs, losing 23-20 to the 49ers.

And for the third consecutive season, McCarthy has been forced to defend keeping Capers as part of his coaching staff.

The reason for having to defend his position is simple: Capers’ defense has plummeted from being one of the best in the league when he arrived in 2009, to once again being one of the worst.

The stats unfortunately don’t lie:

 

Packers defense ranks under Capers

2009: 2nd (284 Yards Per Game)

2010: 5th (309 YPG)

2011: 32nd (411 YPG)

2012: 11th (337 YPG)

2013: 25th (372 YPG)

 

Packers scoring defense under Capers:

2009: 7th (18.6 Points Per Game)

2010: 2nd (15 PPG)

2011: 19th (22.4 PPG)

2012:11th (21 PPG)

2013:24th (26.8 PPG)

 

3rd down completion percentage under Capers:

2009: 36%

2010: 36%

2011: 43%

2012: 38%

2013: 38%

Statistically speaking, the stats would seem to support a change in defensive coordinator for the Packers.

Yet McCarthy was adamant in defending Capers during his press conference today, which has left many are asking why?

Whatever the reason is McCarthy continues to defend his stance on Capers, the unfortunate truth is under Dom Capers, the stats don’t lie.

 

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It's funny to me how packers fans that have had a great ride for a while can't fathom the end. The end is here.

They've already clinched a playoff berth and possibly the division next week. I see we're drunk already Michael.


They are in NFL hell.

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It's funny to me how packers fans that have had a great ride for a while can't fathom the end. The end is here.

They've already clinched a playoff berth and possibly the division next week. I see we're drunk already Michael.


They are in NFL hell.


No team with Aaron Rodgers is in NFL hell.

But if they were, what does that make the Bears?

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My greatest fear is Dom will get the Dolphins job because no one else will want it. Franchise is a train wreck and the owner is the stupidest rich fuck in the NFL.


Capers is one of the NFL old timers who keeps getting hired because most people dont realize that his legend is actually a myth, except for 2 years with the Texans and 2009 with the Packers, although Dom inherited that defense... but I cant believe there is an owner dumb enough to hire Capers as a head coach. No need to worry about your Dolphins doing that.

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It's funny to me how packers fans that have had a great ride for a while can't fathom the end. The end is here.

They've already clinched a playoff berth and possibly the division next week. I see we're drunk already Michael.


They are in NFL hell.

:lol: :lol:

That's not even a thing. Stop trying to sound like Bernsie. The Packers won't be winning shit this season but once again will make the playoffs for the 7th straight year or whatever it is now. They'll be in contention again next year and for the next several years. Stop getting your hopes up that they are going to tailspin into some shitty perennial 8-8 team. Will. Not. Happen.

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