E'Twaun Moore would be the Bulls second best PG behind Hinrich, if he got the minutes he did before.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/samsmith/ ... role-bulls

What happened Fred?

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Huh? Doesn't make your point valid. Moore is currently out of the rotation in case you haven't noticed. I can check the minute logs but it fairly obvious that he only played because Hinrich and Brooks were hurt. He hasn't really played in about 10 games or so.

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I think it didn't take Fred long to find out what others before him have. Etwaun Moore is a fringe NBA player that should be happy to have a roster spot.

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It's simple. We both set the parameters.

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=92015&p=2348976&hilit=top+ten+moore#p2348976

28 games in, Moore is top ten in minutes. You said we'll see after 30 games.

You always complain about "spin" so we set very clear and measurable metrics.

End of discussion, unless it changes in 2 games.

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The guy isn't playing at all. If he isn't playing then his avg. Minutes per game isn't going to change. I will check the log for both avg. and total minutes. He isn't currently in the 10 man rotation which I said he wouldn't be also. Nice try though.

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We both set to and agreed to the rules. They just don't look to be in your favor.

The whole point was to put something that is statistically either true or false. If he drops to 11th in the next two games I am wrong. If he is top ten then you are wrong.

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I'm not Boilermaker Rick.

And Fred isn't even a fringe NBA coach. His next job should be for a high school.

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I will. You've been bad at statistics.

E'Twaun Moore currently has the ninth most minutes played on the Bulls this season, at 344.

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I also said he wouldn't be in the 10 man rotation. He isn't. It's clear that his "top ten minutes" were a result of injuries to guys that were higher on the depth chart. I set those parameters under the presumption that Hinrich, Brooks, and Moore were all healthy. They weren't and that's why Moore received playing time. Rose was injured and on limited minutes too. Once everyone came back his playing time came to a screeching halt. This is what I mean by spin.

I argued that he would be out of the 10 man rotation and he is so I'm wondering what exactly was I wrong about? The guy isn't and hasn't played for awhile. That's the epitome of "out of the rotation" isn't it?

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No need for further discussion.

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He isn't and hasn't played in about 10 games. When is the next time he will appear in a game? I will hang up and listen for my answer.

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He isn't what? What are you arguing? You've been given raw statistics. Are you denying them?

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He played in the blowout Knicks game and probably a few others. It is quite obvious that he isn't in the rotation. The "eye" test tells me that. Both Brooks and Hinrich barring injuries will overtake him in minutes played in about 3 or 4 games. Don't know if the NBA still has the cutoff date for guaranteed contracts but it's not inconceivable that he will last past that. He is effectively done even if he doesn't get cut. The Bulls have two guys out and he is still receiving DNP-CD's. What does that suggest about being in the rotation?

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I'm not denying the stats but even a noted stats guy such as yourself knows that this won't be the case by the end of the week. I was off by about a game, but I couldn't account for the injuries when I made the prediction.

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Etwaun Moore's waterloo has already begun. You can neither stop it, contain it, or effectively rebut it.

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3 guys out and Kirk Hinrich playing sparingly yet Etwaun Moore still doesn't check into the game. He is officially out of the rotation as predicted by game 30. The only two guys available to play who didn't were he and Bairstow.

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You never predicted that. You said he wasn't a top 10 player. The Bulls rotation last night was 9 players. Additionally, he is within the top 10 in both minutes and minutes per game. He has contributed to his team in 22 of 29 games.

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Nice trick. He has received 7 DNP-CD's. Brooks and Hinrich were out due to injury. I also think Rose has missed a game or two due to injury plus he was on a minutes restriction. In some of the games Moore was the only available backup pg? That is why he was playing. The 3 guys out last night are higher up on the depth chart than he. 3 DNP-CD's in a row. He hasn't been injured, discounting his pride of course. The Etwaun Moore waterloo is in full throttle right about now.

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How many more games does he play for the Bulls this season ltg?

Also, I thought you said he doesn't play point guard?

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He really doesn't play point unless it's by default. He never sets up the offense, he is a poor ball handler and passer, and he is slow of foot. The essence of Moore is that he really doesn't have position. Too small for 2 not skilled enough for the 1. He is just a "guy".

Going forward it's obvious that he will only play if anyone amongst Rose, Brooks, or Hinrich are injured. I think that it may take 2 of the 3 being out in order for him to play. He is obviously the odd man out now. He will also only play during blowouts. Those are the only scenarios in which he plays. It's obvious that he is no longer considered a "contributor". The DNP-CDs are beginning to add up IMU. I know you haven't been ignoring it.

The other part which adversely affects him is that the grace pd. for Hoiberg is over. Butler's comments changed the game. He has to win now. He can't afford to be experimenting with crazy lineups and resting guys like S.A. if you notice Rose and Gasol's minutes have been increased lately. Hinrich didn't play much last night either.

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E'Twaun Moore is 6'4".

Remember your beloved Ben Gordon? Smaller. In fact, looking him up it is hilarious he is listed as 6'3". What? Hinrich is like 6'1" or 6'2".



Can't find a great Hinrich / Moore comp but Moore is at least an inch taller than Hinrich I'd say.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews ... ew-620.jpg

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Listed a 6'4 though probably a legit 6'2 1/2.

Ben Gordon is about 6'1 ish. He wasn't a 1 but he was definitely an undersized 2. Ben Gordon is a much better shooter, scorer, and player than Etwaun Moore will ever be.

Ben Gordon was never going to be a starter in the league given his height, but that dude could flat out score and if you don't think he contributed to the Bulls winning games you weren't paying attention.

If Etwaun Moore is considered a "contributor" by you Ben Gordon should be considered a hall of famer.

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Moore couldnt sniff the jock of Gordon on his best day.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

And yet E'Twaun Moore is in the NBA.

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So was this guy? what does that show? Doesn't mean he was better than Luc Longley

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

One more game IMU, and we can put a nice bow on this thread and declare our victory.

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