What are they exactly trying to do here? Keeping Jay. maybe resigning Forte, Alshon? How long does Pace think he has? I don't think they make the playoffs the next two years...so here they go again

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I don't bring back Jeffrey unless I am tagging him or getting a bargain for a long term deal. I let Forte walk unless he plays for free. No need to bring him back if you plan on playing the young guys.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Anybody who is not going to be on the 2017 roster should be available by trade, or not given more than a one-year deal if he's a FA. On offense, that means Long, Grasu, Langford, White, and maybe Cutler. On defense, damn, i've got nobody except McPhee. And maybe the punter.

They need to add 6-7 guys per year who will be impact players on a championship team. Doesn't matter if it's via FA or draft, they need more bodies.

As much as I like Forte, they can't really keep him, and it's clear he realizes its just as much team suckage as it is cash as to why he won't be back in 2016.

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Trade Jay???

"to who?"

Houston

Cleve

DALLAS! Fragile Romo back has to be a mega concern for Jerry.

St Louis...then package to move up, or draft more LBs

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Forte will be playing with Brady next year. Perfect back for that team and he's a professional.

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GO BEARS!!!

Agree! Watching the Pats Sunday, kept thinking that.

BB doesnt care about paying the big money, they just like short term deals.

2 years for $12M with bonuses.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Agree on tagging Jeffry rather than signing him to a big contract. Make him prove what we saw this year doesn't carry over with the BS injuries.

I'd let Forte walk.

I'd look into trading Jay, but only if a good deal was on the table, he is a decent QB that can take over a game if he gets hot (or lose a game for you too) and ya don't really lose much in keeping him. There are some downright terrible QB's starting for other teams every Sunday and I think Jay is far from a shit QB.

Disagree on the Bears being a couple years away from a playoff team, if the draft goes well this year and we sign some solid FA's -10-6 is doable next year.

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Ok.

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Dude I've never seen Jay be anything other than a middle of the road QB. He's never shown greatness. Never. With the Bears he's never been a probowl candidate. He's never been a gamechanger. He has occasional flashes of greatness, but it lasts 2-3 quarters at most. He has a bad bad bad habit of dropping the ball when pressured and throwing picks at the WORST possible time. He's decent. Nothing more.

We're just so fuckin used to miserable awful QB that he's the best the Bears have ever had and we are blown away by him. Says more about the shit we've had over the last 6 decades than about him being anything other than mediocre.

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He is disappointing, sure, but whats your available alternative? Because that's basically my point. I think as a fan base many of us are so fed up with the disappointment that we're willing to bypass the reality that there really isn't a better alternative atm.

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Dude, this is easily the saddest post this week. Damn. We deal with a mediocre QB, and pay him like an elite one, because there's no one better at the moment.

This is the most important position in all of professional sports. And we're settling because we perceive that no one else is out there.

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You're acting like I'm opposed to Jay leaving, or the Bears trying to find the alternative I mentioned. You're also acting like I said Jay is elite.

You are over reacting and getting emotional over a situation you don't control, and you're doing that on a random message board, that is pathetic.

Take it easy.

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Yeah. So, I think you misunderstand me and or my post. Or you're a putz. Or all three.
I'm less than emotional over it.
I know you're not opposed to jay leaving. I didn't say you said jay was elite, I said he's paid like he's elite.

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"CUTLER NEEDS TO LEAVE DERP DERP!"

7:45

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No, you're not emotional at all.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

I don't read a many of your posts. Is this typically how you deal with people who disagree with you?
I was under the impression we were just talking Bears. How did this get to this level?
Can we just talk Bears now?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
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Anyway, to simplify my posts...

It saddens me that we over value Jay because we're basically used to terrible quarterback play. Its particularly sad because in my opinion, QB is the most important position in all professional sports.

This condition is worsened because Jay has been paid as if he were an elite QB, which he never has been. Since he's been with the Bears, he's been combative with coaching, and never had more than just flashes of above average talent. He can be magnificent for a quarter or two, but real elite QB can be magnificent for seasons at a stretch.

For example, we're going on and on in the NFL discussion about how terrible Rodgers season was. It's pretty statistically similar to Jays.

I'm troubled by how Jay doesn't seem particularly interested in the game. I said it in another thread, but I would bet that a few years after he retires he says something to the effect that he never really was all that into football and isn't very interested in the game.

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No, but I assume when someone reaches for name calling or calling a post 'pathetic' -they've pretty much tossed having a discussion out the window.

I never tried to insult you, but you felt the need to reach for insults in your posts in response to mine. I don't mind, but don't expect a reaction that doesn't somewhat reflect your own responses when you do it.

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Did I say "pathetic"? I was screwing around saying "putz". Sorry. But dude, damn, this is just a message board. I didn't mean to make you mad.
Again, we're just talking Bears here. Let's stick to that. How about we restart and you just respond to my post above and we'll see what happens.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
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Ok, back on topic

I don't see how admitting that there may not be a better alternative out there right now (which I kind of feel like Pace is doing) -is over valuing Jay Cutler. Its simply admitting the situation when you point something like that out. That's not to say that something couldn't come up -the draft for example- where you locate that alternative.

The previous Bears brass over valued him by paying him like his last name was Manning, but that does not have anything to do with whether or not the smart move may be to tough it out with him for one more year in the present tense.

And you're right, QB is the most important position in sports, so it just stands to reason that when evaluating your situation there, you don't just hit the eject button on a player you have there that's been disappointing, but is still most likely your best available option.

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lol


Solid attempt. I'm not biting tho.


So yeah, lets see what happens.

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Yeah, its not... exactly. It just seems that everyone on the radio and within the Bears organization is always saying that Jay is the best QB in Bears history, and sadly, he probably is. You know what makes it feel worse? Those two games Pickles played this year. I mean, MERCY, that was some shitty QB'ing. Wow. And it makes Jay look amazing by comparison.


I get what you're saying and to an extent I agree. My only counterpoint would be to say that I want to see QB being a TOP priority (and I wanted this last year) knowing full well we need a right tackle, center, 3-4 linebackers, a safety and a corner, not to mention a WR if Jeffery isn't retained somehow. Probably a TE too. Shit.


I'd be ready to hit the eject button. This team has so many needs that you almost have to trade all talent for draft picks and start the hell over. What do the Bears really have to build on? Forte? Old. Jeffery? Too ouchy and unreliable. Jay? No way. I mean, this team is nearly completely devoid of talent right now.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
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Keep Jay, launch Forte, franchise Alshon, put Long back where he belongs, have Bubba Ray Dudley powerbomb Virginia off the roof of Halas Hall through a table.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
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Don't you think it's time to draft a quarterback to hold a clipboard for a season while you draft another next year and get ready for the post jay era?

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Honestly, like I said in Rubes other thread, what are they supposed to say? Its politics man, they're just towing the line when they say shit like that. I personally don't care about fluff type comments that are rinse repeat statements like the ones you mentioned.

And yeah, its sad that its true for sure.




I hear you, but its tough to make it that type of priority when A. you need so many things in general, and B. there really isn't the right 'guy' available to make it that type of priority. This is why I supported the Bears building up the lines in the draft this year and going old school to try and win games in the meantime with a big armed mistake prone QB like Cutler taking snaps. I got blasted by a few people here for that, but I think it could work with the right personnel.





As I mentioned earlier -I'm not opposed to a trade for Cutler- but lets be honest here, it has to be the right one. Cutler has talent that many QB's don't, and there is value in that. I honestly can't say atm where I'd place that value in terms of compensation, but I am not for trading Cutler to the 1st team that picks up the phone. It has to be the right deal, or I'd keep him. It doesn't kill the Bears to keep him around if the right deal doesn't come up.

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Yes. As long as it is not Hackenberg. Anyone but Hackenberg.

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Thanks, NME. Glad we turned that around. I prefer this conversation. I got a bit out of line. Appreciate the reset.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
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Holy Kumbaya.......The Bears have sucked the life out of Darko.

I'm not as young as I used to be...


who is?

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What the fuck happened on the first page of this thread? How drunk are you Darko?

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