That was off the top of my head. He's only played in 25 playoff games overall, so you need to realize that whenever we talk about his good or bad performances in the postseason, it's necessarily a small sample size. He's had plenty of other good, and also pretty awful, playoff performances. The "he always sucks in the playoffs" statement just makes you sound dumb and lazy.

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Does anyone (besides perhaps Pittmike) consider Roethlisberger is better than Manning? He has a better regular season and play-off winning percentage and has 2 rings.

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Manning and LeBron are similar

Insanely dominant in the regular season
Some memorable terrible performances
Huge Foreheads

He's had quite a few postseason stinkers but by being the greatest regular season QB ever heard has to be top 5 or no worse than 7th.

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Big Ben is better IMO.

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Unless you are just solely judging QBs by playoff success and nothing else, it's impossible to make an argument there have been 6 QBs ever better than Peyton Manning.

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Its his M.O. going back to Tennessee.

He's the only qb in NFL history to have more turnovers than touchdowns in a post season n have his team carry him to a ring.. He sucked a lil bit less than wrecks Grossman..

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It's easier to make stat based arguments using a small sample size. For instance you could choose to use only 14 out of the 25 playoff games when analyzing Manning.

The thing that hurts Manning is the number of 1st round outs in games in which they were favored. He is far and away the leader in that category. That is where the playoff choker perception comes from. Right or wrong that has happened enough that it stands out.

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I have a serious question: is it that much more time-consuming to type out "and" instead of "n"? I'm just curious... not being a smartass.

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Whatever the reasons, he's definitely underachieved in the postseason. No denying that. But some idiots take that way too far and pretend he's never played well in the postseason. It's only at that point that I ever feel compelled to defend Manning.

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Defend that dome queen all ya like, he's right behind Brady, Rodgers and Big Ben in his era. So any talk of top 5 is absurd.

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Terrible.

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It's all about context though. I'm not going to go back and look at all postseason games he's played in, but it seems silly to attach a W-L record to a QB as if he's a starting pitcher. For many of Manning's Indy years he had a mediocre defense - partly because of his and Wayne, Harrison, and James' contracts - and obviously Manning has nothing to do with how a defense helps or hurts his team's chances of winning a playoff game. A recent example is Rodgers over the weekend: many here are going to count the loss against him in a "W-L" record, but as pointed out by others, that game was something like the third or fourth time GB lost on the last play of the game in the playoffs, or in other words when Rodgers was powerless to do anything about it.

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Should I tell 312player that Manning has a better postseason QB rating than Ben, or do you want to?

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I wouldn't give Rodgers a pass for Saturday's game. He played reasonably well, but that's not good enough. Regardless of excuses, you have to put more than 20 points on the board in an indoor stadium in a playoff game.

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Turnovers lose games, Manning commits way too many turnovers in the playoffs.. Rodgers or Brady never had the receivers that Manning did and currently has.

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Big Ben has a better woman abusing record, so that might sway 312.

Superstar or not I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to QBs at this point in the playoffs. I mean it's not like they're facing cupcake defenses. In Rodgers' case AZ was 7th overall in points given up at around 19/game. He willed them to a tie. Who knows what would have happened had Fitz not scored, but AZ would have been rightfully cowering in fear if they were forced to punt it back to GB in OT. And he did that with Cobb out, not to mention the other two WRs who aren't that special anyway. This isn't on Rodgers.

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I wouldn't pin the loss on Rodgers at all, but he didn't play well enough for them to win. I think when discussing the all time great QBs, you have to put less weight on the variables you mentioned, and more weight on how good they were. The very best QBs ever can elevate whoever they play with to a pretty high level, and overcome talent deficiencies to beat superior teams. Rodgers play has put him in the same class as Brady, Manning, Montana, etc. The expectations for him are, and should be, higher than your standard QB. He needs to play better next year.

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Rodgers had chumps to throw to, he made it a great game..put goober in there and its a blowout.

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SOmeone legitimately thinks Ben is better than Manning?

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You and I don't know shit about Otto Graham and Sammy Baugh. And you forgot Unitas.

And no way in hell Favre is better. People give Peyton shit about bad playoff performances.... did he ever throw six goddamn interceptions in one game? No, he didn't. Fuck Favre still for that.

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Otto Graham led his team to the championship game 10 years in a row. Unitas almost made the cut and I've heard Baugh's name mentioned enough to put him ahead of Manning.

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I can't argue with that. Solid case.

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Isn't the whole point of him that he's gonna let you down when you actually need him?

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EDIT: Screw you, leash.

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