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A few years ago I would have taken a million shots at LeBron but I can't now because I like him.


He's no Jay Cutler.


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Step right up, Tom Thibedeau.



Let's find more excuses as to why the "second best coach in the NBA" is still on the outside looking in. What's the excuse now? Thibodeau philes just new that this was going to be his job. What now?


LTG: There is no relationship between a coach's current unemployment status and his reputation as a coach. Coaches have agency they can exert whenever they feel like working again. The better coaches, like Thibs, can afford to be more selective. BTW, Hoiberg sucks and will never come close to Thibs' W-L record while with the Bulls.


I understand that but there should be more demand for him if he is that good. The Cleveland job was postulated as his "dream" job on here. Wasn't debated either and now they have bypassed him too. What gives?

He will be back. I'm not disputing that but if he is as regarded around the league as he is on this message board there would be much more buzz when jobs become available. There isn't and hasn't been.

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Step right up, Tom Thibedeau.



Let's find more excuses as to why the "second best coach in the NBA" is still on the outside looking in. What's the excuse now? Thibodeau philes just new that this was going to be his job. What now?


LTG: There is no relationship between a coach's current unemployment status and his reputation as a coach. Coaches have agency they can exert whenever they feel like working again. The better coaches, like Thibs, can afford to be more selective. BTW, Hoiberg sucks and will never come close to Thibs' W-L record while with the Bulls.


I understand that but there should be more demand for him if he is that good. The Cleveland job was postulated as his "dream" job on here. Wasn't debated either and now they have bypassed him too. What gives?

He will be back. I'm not disputing that but if he is as regarded around the league as he is on this message board there would be much more buzz when jobs become available. There isn't and hasn't been.

You do not remember GarPax didn't let him go until most or all of the coaching positions were filled

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A few years ago I would have taken a million shots at LeBron but I can't now because I like him.


It's odd, I've never really had any feelings one way or the other about LeBron. I won't ever question that he is a top ten all time player, but I've never had strong feelings about him one way or the other.


I used to think a lot was handed to him without ever earning it, but he has proven to be a great player. Don't know where I rank him all time, but he is a great player.

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There were jobs out there when he was fired and it was a foregone conclusion that he was going to be fired. Great coaches they wait for. Orlando Denver and N.O were out there and OKC would have waited.

Also coaches would have been fired once he became available too. That's done for great coaches.

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Yeah, Thibs should give up and embrace his destiny as a great advance scout.

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What coaches in the league are better than him?

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I used to think a lot was handed to him without ever earning it, but he has proven to be a great player. Don't know where I rank him all time, but he is a great player.


I think he's going to be looked at like Wilt. A player so physically dominant it's hard to root passionately for him. Always in the thick of it, but largely as a runner up.

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Yeah, Thibs should give up and embrace his destiny as a great advance scout.


He wanted GarPax to take Draymond Green and they said no.

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Blatt was in 1st place and 30-11 this year. Is that the best record ever in major sports for a coach who got fired? Maybe there were some 12-4 NFL coaches.

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Blatt was in 1st place and 30-11 this year. Is that the best record ever in major sports for a coach who got fired? Maybe there were some 12-4 NFL coaches.


Yes.

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Yeah, Thibs should give up and embrace his destiny as a great advance scout.


He wanted GarPax to take Draymond Green and they said no.


It's funny how they just started to hang that one around GarPax' necks this week. Makes you wonder. :lol:

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Blatt was in 1st place and 30-11 this year. Is that the best record ever in major sports for a coach who got fired? Maybe there were some 12-4 NFL coaches.


Yes.


IIRC, I think Marty Schottenheimer got fired from SD when his 14-2 (?) squad got bounced in the first round of the playoffs in 05-06

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What coaches in the league are better than him?

Walton :lol:

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What coaches in the league are better than him?

Walton :lol:


Derek Fisher has to be just a bit nervous given how much Phil loves Walton.

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I used to think a lot was handed to him without ever earning it, but he has proven to be a great player. Don't know where I rank him all time, but he is a great player.


I think he's going to be looked at like Wilt. A player so physically dominant it's hard to root passionately for him. Always in the thick of it, but largely as a runner up.


I think the physical gifts will always leave people wanting more as far as his game. I think when it's all said and done he will be outside of my top ten.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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Step right up, Tom Thibedeau.



Let's find more excuses as to why the "second best coach in the NBA" is still on the outside looking in. What's the excuse now? Thibodeau philes just new that this was going to be his job. What now?


LTG: There is no relationship between a coach's current unemployment status and his reputation as a coach. Coaches have agency they can exert whenever they feel like working again. The better coaches, like Thibs, can afford to be more selective. BTW, Hoiberg sucks and will never come close to Thibs' W-L record while with the Bulls.


I understand that but there should be more demand for him if he is that good. The Cleveland job was postulated as his "dream" job on here. Wasn't debated either and now they have bypassed him too. What gives?

He will be back. I'm not disputing that but if he is as regarded around the league as he is on this message board there would be much more buzz when jobs become available. There isn't and hasn't been.


I don't think the absence of interest insofar as we can see is necessarily strong enough proof that there is indeed no interest. I think you're trying to prove a negative here and it's running into problems. Sometimes I also think you've got an axe to grind with Thibs and are working backwards from that perspective whenever he comes up during a discussion.

As for the Cavs, I think that's a dream job if it's open during the off season. During the middle of a season in which youre a legitimate contender the wrong thing to do would be to start fresh with a new coach mid-season. They valued continuity and went with an internal hire. Makes sense. As has been pointed out before OKC made a splashy hire before Thibs became available. Not sure if there was mutual interest between Thibs and the other teams but I guarantee you NO would be in MUCH better shape had they hired Thibs instead of Gentry. Their loss. I think we'll be able to test your Thibs criticism once he actually has a job.

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Lebron will never win a title in Cleveland.


How David Blatt never stood a chance with LeBron James and his camp
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Before David Blatt ever conducted his first training camp practice in September 2014, Cleveland Cavaliers star LeBron James and his agent, Rich Paul, had the coach's succession plan in place: Mark Jackson.

To become the preferred candidate of the most powerful player in the NBA – and de facto Cavaliers general manager – Jackson understood what he needed to do: Bring on James' and Paul's Klutch Sports agency as his representation, and prepare to deliver those commission fees into the King's coffers. Blatt never had a chance. He never knew what hit him.

From the beginning, the Klutch Sports campaign to puncture Blatt's standing as head coach had been as relentless as it was ruthless. James is one of the great leaders in pro sports, and he directed the Cavaliers how he wanted them: in complete defiance of Blatt.

Finally, James' camp had its way on Friday, the Cavaliers firing the coach of the defending Eastern Conference champions and runaway No. 1 seed. Over a season and a half on the job, associate head coach Tyronn Lue fought hard to stay loyal to Blatt, balancing that line of hearing out James' and Paul's barrages on Blatt and yet still urging them to give the coach a chance.

In the end, here was the problem for Klutch Sports' original plan: Cleveland refused to hire Jackson. General manager David Griffin is too well-connected in the NBA, too knowledgeable of the truths inside Jackson's Warriors regime to let that happen. So much of Griffin's job has been to manage the constant demands of James' camp and the volatility of owner Dan Gilbert. As much as anything, his job has been to bridge the chaos above and below him.

Once James' camp realized that Jackson would never be considered as coach – nor would Lue leave his representation to join Klutch Sports agency, despite overtures – Lue became a compromise choice for James' group, sources said. They started pushing for Lue to replace Blatt last season, and grew louder in those calls in recent days and weeks.

Gilbert made Lue the league's highest-paid assistant coach at $2 million-plus a year, forever considering him the head-coach-in-waiting should Blatt need to go. Ultimately, Blatt had little staying power with the Cavaliers, because James had turned Blatt's removal into an inevitability. As the games wore on, opposing players on the floor weren't only watching James constantly wave off plays from the coach – but role players feeling emboldened to disregard the head coach's instructions, too.

James had the Cavaliers existing in open rebellion for more than a season now, with no Pat Riley in the organizational shadows to scare everyone into compliance.

Despite winning 11 of 13 games – losing only to the Golden State Warriors and San Antonio Spurs – James had become increasingly vocal in his opposition of Blatt in recent practice sessions and game environments. Within the franchise, it was hard to hear anything else. LeBron James and Rich Paul never had to walk into the GM's office and demand the firing of the coach. All together, they had the capability of making everyone's life hell until the deed was done.

Blatt made mistakes in his transition to the NBA, struggled sometimes to gather the nuances of a complex game of matchups and situations. He had coached in the Euroleague for two decades, and had to sell himself on a new coaching staff, a new roster and the generation's best player.

For all the agent competitors complaining over Klutch Sports' control in Cleveland, it is the kind of leverage no agent would ever reject over an NBA franchise. Outside of his own maximum contract, James and Klutch Sports could turn the Cavaliers into one of the loose slot machines across the street in Gilbert's casinos. It worked with client Tristan Thompson, whom they leveraged into a five-year, $82 million contract. Rival agents find themselves spending more time with clients who end up with the Cavaliers, if only because Rich Paul and his associates work to pilfer players for Klutch Sports, promising the power of James' influence in contract talks with the team.

So here's what's coming now: the trickle of stories on Blatt's incompetence, the fact that no one respected him, and maybe most of all, that James had nothing to do with his firing. For all the fairytales sold on James' return to Cleveland, this was forever about business – the kind of business they couldn't do within Riley's organization, nor Erik Spoelstra's locker room.

LeBron James runs the Cleveland organization, a choice Dan Gilbert made upon the superstar's return to Northeast Ohio. There's no shame there. Nothing that needs an apology out of him. He's constructed a way to maximize his basketball and business interests on Gilbert's dime, and it is possible that James will get all that and win a championship, too.

Once the Cavaliers decided to fire Blatt on Friday, they offered Lue a three-year deal. He considered taking the job on an interim basis for the rest of the season, betting on himself, but ultimately decided on a three-year, $9.5 million contract, sources told Yahoo Sports. This is still the opportunity of a lifetime, a fabulous array of talent that gives a young coach the chance to chase championships.

Only now, Ty Lue gets to try and do something that LeBron James hadn't wanted in his final season in Miami, nor his first year and a half back in Cleveland: to be coached. They pushed David Blatt out, and found a compromise candidate. No commission fees for Klutch Sports on Ty Lue, leaving him with no choice but to win big and win now.

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I don't really have an axe to grind. It's more analysis than anything. It speaks to market value more than anything. There have been about 10 jobs open up since June and he hasn't been considered for any of them. He may have stated that he wants to sit out for a yr. That's plausible. If he hasn't then why haven't teams beaten down his door to hire him?

Each theory postulated since the end of last season has been debunked. Every team that was rumored on here to be a landing spot has fallen off the board. Those are not my opinions insomuch as they are facts. He will get rehired. There isn't any doubt about that, but this notion that he is elite is in question and should be in question. Elite coaches are in position to dictate where they will coach. They also have the ability to get guys fired once they become available. That hasn't happened with Thibs and it's legitimate to ask why?

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I don't really have an axe to grind. It's more analysis than anything. It speaks to market value more than anything. There have been about 10 jobs open up since June and he hasn't been considered for any of them. He may have stated that he wants to sit out for a yr. That's plausible. If he hasn't then why haven't teams beaten down his door to hire him?

Each theory postulated since the end of last season has been debunked. Every team that was rumored on here to be a landing spot has fallen off the board. Those are not my opinions insomuch as they are facts. He will get rehired. There isn't any doubt about that, but this notion that he is elite is in question and should be in question. Elite coaches are in position to dictate where they will coach. They also have the ability to get guys fired once they become available. That hasn't happened with Thibs and it's legitimate to ask why?


What coaches would you say are better than Thibs?

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I'm surprised Blatt was fired, should have let him finish the season and hire Thibs in off season. The 3 or 4 best teams in the NBA this year are in the West.. Cleveland ain't winning shit .



@ LTG - Thibs is getting paid to sit, he will have a job next year.. I think he was banking on the Cavs though.

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I don't really have an axe to grind. It's more analysis than anything. It speaks to market value more than anything. There have been about 10 jobs open up since June and he hasn't been considered for any of them. He may have stated that he wants to sit out for a yr. That's plausible. If he hasn't then why haven't teams beaten down his door to hire him?

Each theory postulated since the end of last season has been debunked. Every team that was rumored on here to be a landing spot has fallen off the board. Those are not my opinions insomuch as they are facts. He will get rehired. There isn't any doubt about that, but this notion that he is elite is in question and should be in question. Elite coaches are in position to dictate where they will coach. They also have the ability to get guys fired once they become available. That hasn't happened with Thibs and it's legitimate to ask why?


What coaches would you say are better than Thibs?


Popovich
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I don't really have an axe to grind. It's more analysis than anything. It speaks to market value more than anything. There have been about 10 jobs open up since June and he hasn't been considered for any of them. He may have stated that he wants to sit out for a yr. That's plausible. If he hasn't then why haven't teams beaten down his door to hire him?

Each theory postulated since the end of last season has been debunked. Every team that was rumored on here to be a landing spot has fallen off the board. Those are not my opinions insomuch as they are facts. He will get rehired. There isn't any doubt about that, but this notion that he is elite is in question and should be in question. Elite coaches are in position to dictate where they will coach. They also have the ability to get guys fired once they become available. That hasn't happened with Thibs and it's legitimate to ask why?


What coaches would you say are better than Thibs?


Popovich
Carlisle
Rivers
Stan Van Gundy
Karl


Okay. Just wanted to know your list.

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I'm surprised Blatt was fired, should have let him finish the season and hire Thibs in off season. The 3 or 4 best teams in the NBA this year are in the West.. Cleveland ain't winning shit .



@ LTG - Thibs is getting paid to sit, he will have a job next year.. I think he was banking on the Cavs though.


LeBron wants to be the coach. Thibbs would not go for that.

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I'm surprised Blatt was fired, should have let him finish the season and hire Thibs in off season. The 3 or 4 best teams in the NBA this year are in the West.. Cleveland ain't winning shit .



@ LTG - Thibs is getting paid to sit, he will have a job next year.. I think he was banking on the Cavs though.



He will have job but it may not be a plum job. I think it may be a complete rebuild where ever he goes. He also wants control over player personnel and basketball operations. That is going to be a hindrance for him in terms of getting a job.

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I don't think many consider Rivers to be a top coach.

Stan Van Gundy???

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I don't think many consider Rivers to be a top coach.

I would put him in the top 5.

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I don't think many consider Rivers to be a top coach.

I would put him in the top 5.

Rivers is overrated.

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I don't think many consider Rivers to be a top coach.

I would put him in the top 5.

Rivers is overrated.

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