57-55 Bulls at halftime.

Butler carted off with a leg injury

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

This team fucking blows.

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"He said he heard something pop," said Bulls point guard Derrick Rose, who has dealt with knee injuries before. "But with my knees, I knew that it was something serious."



What an asshole...

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Bulls looked bad after Butler left. Where is your precious ball movement now ltg?

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Bulls actually went up 16 or 18 with Butler on the bench. Ball movement actually worked well. Thanks for asking.

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Umm...if the Bulls were up when Butler got hurt / halftime... how are you trying to tell me that the Bulls did better without Butler when they lost the game?

Without Butler, the Bulls lost 60 to 53.

As they were up by over double digits at one point, it makes it even worse... the Bulls' best defender was hurt and couldn't prevent the Nuggets' surge.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

You must have also forgot that Gasol didn't play at all. Your original point was about offense. Had you watched the game you would have noticed that the defense, not offense, was the problem down the stretch.

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I said "The Bulls looked bad after Butler left." That was my original point. The following sentence was simply a shot at you're basketball ineptitude, since that was what you focused on previously.

And I have several guys on this board that can vouch for me watching the game. Since I watched it with them. So... not that your angle has ever been valid...but this time I have 'proof.'

Basketball games are won by scoring more than your opponent. This team will be unable to do that often with Butler out for a significant stretch. Even though your boy Moore has been stepping up.

Additionally, how do you like Rose's isolations tonight? Also...shooting 35%. Fantastic!

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Butler isn't a franchise player. Never has been one and never will be one. If the Bulls are going to be a true contender then Derrick Rose will have to get close to the player that he used to be. If you think that Butler is guy to build around then you really are out to lunch. Butler as the best player dominating the ball isn't going to get you much in terms of winning.

For the record the Bulls offense does look better without him. That was my point. This is the third game in a row that the ball is moving.It also looks better than the crap they ran last yr. Its becoming obvious where the problem lie.
The announcers keep harping on it. These are veiled shots at Butler. It's obvious.

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Etwaun Moore's 7 points were truly a sign of stepping up weren't they? Also his back to back turnovers were a sign of his "stepping up".

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Are you using statistics to try to make a point?

Maybe if you watched the game like I did, you'd know that he looks like he is stepping up.

You see Moore tonight? 7/13 shooting for 17 points and 7 assists. NO TURNOVERS.

Maybe analyzing youth park district basketball might be up your alley.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

He seriously said that? Dafuq. Guess it's time for Jimmy to start thinking about those graduations and meetings!

By the way, I hate this team. Nice to see Gasol chucking up threes at the end tonight.

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The Bulls have gotten much worse as a team once Gibson and Moore began starting. Those are two guys that you pushed real hard for. They attacked Etwaun Moore down the stretch. He really is looking good at point guard isn't he?

Also the mere fact that you advocated for the trade of Michael Carter Williams shows that you know little about hoops.

You may not have noticed that they benched him for Jarryd Bayless earlier this yr. The Jarryd Bayless.

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You're all over the place. I love it.

1) Sure they did...
2) Since when do you care about a player getting attacked while on defense? Your favorite players like Carmelo get abused constantly. You want McDermott to play more...and he might be the single worst defensive player in the NBA.
3) MCW would be a better fit than any of your favorite Bulls. Since when has Kidd or Prunty proven they know what to do with an NBA lineup? I don't know about you, but I wouldn't consider using the Bucks organization as a role model.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Just like Taj was better than Noah also. Michael Carter Williams is another loser that has played on nothing but losing teams since he has been in the league. He is a backup hint:(non starter) on a good team.

Carmelo Anthony during much of his career was one of the best players in the league. Butler has yet to attain that status and I doubt that he ever will.

Lastly you were championing Moore and Gibson and calling Hoiberg an idiot for not playing or starting them and now he is and the team has gone to hell.

They also have gone to hell once Noah, another guy you hate, went down for the season.

I never advocated for the benching of Butler. I merely advocate that his role as "go to guy" be revised. He should buy into the offense and stop running so many clear outs. That's it. The offense would function better if he does that.

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You're on the run. I imagine your shelf life lasts only through this season.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

You are an ardent believer in A. Taj Gibson B. Lance Stephenson C. MCW. D. Etwaun Moore

Yours has already occurred. The Bulls are 5 -11 over their last 16. You believed Noah is a bum. The Bulls string of losses occurred once he went out. The easy card is Hoi berg but their problems are larger than the coach.

If you think Thibs could have saved him with his genuisness then I ask you about the Philly series 2012. What did it do for the Bull then?

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Noah went down like 9 games ago, and everyone knew Noah was going to miss games..he does every year and is only getting older..I put 99% of this on Paxsons stupid ass..game 50 so far, what do ya think Thibs would have these guys @? 32 wins? 33?

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If Thibs is so great explain how his #1 seeded Bulls team went out 4-1 after Rose went down in 2012. They should have still defeated Philly's garbage ass team if he is so good. They were spotted a game and still were bounced 4- 1 after Rose was injured.

The Thibs would have done jibe isn't flyng. Their record would not have been too much be tter. Paxson is looking suspect though. I wanted Dieng instead of Snell and he has turned out to be a better pro.

Gibson has failed to secure two rebounds in the past week that have cost Bulls games. His undersized warrior power forward routine has run its course. I guess you see why he has never been a starter. Too small and not nearly skilled enough.

I know there will be the it didn't cost him apologist as there usually is around here, but I wonder what it would have been if it had been McDermott or Rose that failed to secure those rebounds? Actually I don't wonder because I already know the answer.

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I just don't think the team is that good, never have thought that since paxson been here.. Rose played out of his mind for a season and good team defense in weak ass East can get ya pretty far..the east is improving and Hoiberg is not as good as Thibs. I just don't see anything to get excited about til john Paxson is fired.

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I will agree that Paxson is now on the clock. Snell is looking like a bust. McDermott should be a starter or else why trade two mid level draft picks for him. Mirotic isn't as good as advertised. He held unto to Gibson too long and now you can't trade a bag of Jiffy mix for him. Shouldn't have resigned Dunleavy given the age, yrs, injuries, amount of money that you paid him.


They are making a lot of mistakes. Its time to revaluate the two headed monster that is GarPax though. I think without injuries they are no lower than a 3rd seed.

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How long has paxson been in charge? 10 years?

His Wallace signing was a fireable offense IMO
His offer of 5-55 to Ben Gordon was a firable offense IMO
His lamarcus Allridge fuck up was firable offense IMO
His Hiring-and Firing of Del Negro was a firable offense IMO
His letting Crawford go for nothing was a firable offense IMO
His dunleavy resign- Heinrich signings- not moving Noah when he was valuable all firable offenses. His handling of Thibs and refusal to draft Draymond Green were firable offenses.


Paxson is a fuckin meathead, he's got a job for life under Jerry, the Bulls are fucked.

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I agree about Wallace and Aldridge. Disagree about everything else. He has made a number of good moves since he became GM. He completely cleaned up the mess left by Krause. Jamal Crawford didn't have much value at the time the Bulls allowed him to leave.

He was a 39%-40% shooter that also happened to shoot a lot of threes and shied away from contact. He also was a weak defender. He scored points on a team that won about 20 games a season during his time here.

Isaiah Thomas actually overpaid to get him. There weren't a lot of teams checking for him at the time. It's no accident that every team that he has been on has essentially allowed him to walk also.

This notion that he was really good is a misnomer. He is a "niche" player. The Bulls got better the day they allowed him to roll. Made the playoffs the first yr after he exited.

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Crawford was a bigger n better version of Ben Gordon..numbnuts offered BG 5\55.. Luckily he turned it down.

Making the playoffs don't mean dick, 16 teams make it out of 30..its actually harder statistically to not make it..especially in the East where Paxson has been.. 34-35 wins gets ya in. Those days of the East sucking are coming to an end.

Paxson is more concerned with character than wins..he'd rather have Hinrich than Crawford or J R. Smith.

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Ben Gordon was better than Crawford at that stage. He was a pure scorer. Took better shots shot a higher percentage and was by far the Bulls best clutch player. He was so much better than Crawford it'd not even a conversation. He made mistake signing with Detroit and it derailed his career.

If making the playoffs were that easy then why didn't Crawford come close to making it the first 9 yrs of his career.

If Jamal Crawford is so valuable then why hasn't he been involved in any major trades during his career? He has been on 6 teams. Surely some other GM (better than Paxson) would have been able to get something for him?

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