What's so bad about shooting threes? If you're going to miss them so often as to make a game unwatchable, you probably won't bother with them anyway.

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You said that they count as jump shooting. Then you referenced Bruce Bowen. Spurs were not a jump shooting team then. Best player was Tim Duncan. Second best player was Tony Parker. Neither one shoots threes.

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Your banter is almost lockstep with that of Bernstein and Goff. You sure that you were never an avid fan of the show? I'm actually being serious. It seems that you spew a lot of the same thoughts that they have regarding hoops at least.

The 80's were considered the golden Era of Basketball. Now its terrible. You cite stats yet again to back up the argument. I could easily cherry pick stats to counter that argument also. It would be fairly easy. All you have to do is look at the best teams and that would kill your argument.

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statistically the bulls are equivalent to donkey dick cummin in your mouth and making you hold it in for months until it ferments into rotten cum cheese and then you gotta swallow and ask for it all over again and again

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

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Detroit actually has a higher shooting percentage than last yrs Golden State Warrior team. That's probably why guys hate having hoops conversations with me. I know of from which I speak.

I'm sure good ole IMU will come in to slice and dice the stats to support his narrative. True shooting percentage will be touted. Whatever the hell that means. There will be more analytics spewed from different quarters, but when you get down to it the Detroit Pistons who were known more for Defense than offense, had a higher shooting percentage than G.S.

This in spite of the fact that G.S. had two of the better shooters in history, and the 80's had hand check rules in place.

IMU. You have to get better though I respect your fighting spirit.

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People often remember things fondly from their younger days.

I don't need to cherry pick or slice and dice anything. You compared today's modern game to the 1980's game, stating that in the 1980's teams shot better. I showed you that you were clearly wrong. Then you cherry picked one single team in one single season out of the 1980's, and one team out of last year's season to try to support your point.

Again...sample size much?

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Not really. If you were really familiar with that era, which you obviously aren't, you'd know that the Pistons had the worst offensive team of any 80's champion. I chose them to illustrate how even the worst offensive team trumps what is considered to be the best offensive team of today. I'm going merely off of shooting percentage. I didn't look at any other numbers. If I were to choose the Showtime Lakers, Celtics, or 83 Sixers, it would probably be a murder.

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It's funny to me that long time guy doesn't know how to evaluate offense and defense in even the most basic ways.

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He is arguing FOR why eFG% and 3P are so important and he doesn't even realize it.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

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Thought I'd help you out a little further, not that you really needed it.

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Maybe you can explain it after you explain how a team with Tony Parker and Tim Duncan as its best players is considered a "jump shooting team"

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That's just it. I don't think 3 point shooting should be that important. It is and the game has evolved and all that but I don't think necessarily for the better. Isaiah Thomas shot 29% from 3 for his career. Does that make him a terrible basketball player? In today's game it would. It would be based on some dude that's never played basketball telling the world that he stunk. Those stats that you love so much would be used as support and it would create a narrative that one of the top 20-25 players of all time was a bad basketball player. It's idiotic to cite that stuff each and every time you argue sports, not that I'm suggesting that you are an idiot or anything. I just think the way you learned and became interested in sports is different than the way I became interested.

I cite stats but it can't be the Genesis for everything. I think that's where we differ.

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If Isaiah Thomas was playing in today's NBA, he would be better at shooting 3P's. Because he would realize it is important to his game and he was practice it.

Virtually NO ONE shot three pointers well in the 1980's. Did humans evolve in the last 20-30 years and suddenly became capable? No.

Smart coaches ran the numbers and decided that if they could shoot threes even slightly better than the competition...they would have a huge advantage. Thus...the 3P shot became important and eFG% was created.

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I don't believe anyone on this board has ever suggested being a bad 3 point shooter means you a bad basketball players. That's why you arent worth debating, long time guy. You're more dishonest than any poster here.

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America is pretty dishonest.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

He seems very honest with us. Remember, CSFMB is all that matters.

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This may be a bit of a newsflash but the basketball universe is a helluva lot larger than this board. His 3 point shooting would be much more of an issue in today's NBA. It would be used to diminish his abilities as a basketball player.

I just provided stats from four NBA champions. Each one shot a higher percentage from the field than Golden State. IMU even when presented with these facts still refuses to admit that the 80's were superior offensively.

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The Golden State Warriors could shoot threes at a clip that far outpaced the 85 Lakers and they would still probably be swept.

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It's a wonder statements such as these don't get dismissed more often.

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More people than not argued that LeBron is still the best player in the NBA, and he's shooting 3's worse this year than Thomas did for his career. Regardless of your point about basketball being discussed outside this board, consider yourself proven wrong in that statement I quoted.

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The 3 point shot became part of the NBA game in 1980. It's not hard to understand why players struggled with it in the 80's.

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LTG, effective shooting % weighs three point shots appropriately. It allows for comparison across generations (at least those that had a 3-point line). It gives 50% more weight to 3-point shots, as it should. It basically accounts for the percentage someone scores per shot. Three-pointers should not be viewed equally to two-pointers, in terms of percentage. If you and IMU each shoot 100 shots, with him shooting only 3's and you shooting only 2's, he only has to make 30 to score the same amount of points as you would if you made 45. That's a big difference. If the game has evolved as a result, it doesn't make Magic, MJ, or Isaiah any worse. However, if they played today, it's fair to say that they may need to adapt to be viewed in the same light they were during their era.

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Isaiah shot that for his career not a season and it's a little different
When you compare the 3 point percentage of a guard with that of a forward.

If Isaiah Thomas shot 29% from three in today's NBA the entire perception of him would change. He'd be thought of the same way that Rondo is thought of. No doubt about it.

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Aww, that's cute...in ltg's traditional world guards are the guys that take the three point shots.

What position does McDermott play?

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lol. I just proved you wrong. Sorry, man.

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I understand that and it was the same argument that they used in the 80's when they attempted to encourage guys to shoot more threes. They crunched the numbers and compared the percentages. Everything you say is absolutely correct.

I wouldn't say that the change in emphasis has made the game better. The 85 Lakers averaged 118 ppg. They played faster and took better shots. The game was played inside out and guys were able to get better shots as a result. It's nothing worse than seeing guys running around and scheming to take 3 point shots all game long.

The inside game is non existent. Mid range shots are a foreign concept. Guys are passing up good shots because the 3 is considered a more "efficient" shot.

If that's the case then why is scoring much lower? Mind you they hand checked in the 80's and the game was much more physical.

The Lakers also shot 55% from the field. This suggest that they took better shots. You took the first shot available if it was your shot. Guys definitely didn't run to the 3 point line on a fast break either. Guys would laugh at you for a week if you did that. It was understood that you were to get layups on fast breaks.

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Why has Rajon Rondo not been considered an all time great pg? Can you answer that? I know it won't be but it would be nice.

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Actually you haven't.

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I hate to reiterate but for the "love of god" can someone explain why idiotic statements such as this goes unchallenged.

He is not trolling either. With his metrics based analysis he truly believes this. He is the message board's version of John Dewan. This is in conjunction with his other non sensical musings.

This makes his Bobby Portis - Tyrus Thomas comparison seem logical.

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You raise some valid points, and I honestly don't know off the top of my head... however, if I had to make an educated guess, I'd say that those teams ran... a lot... and had many more possessions per game (I'm sure we could find out). I don't think many of the Shiwtime Lakers teams were considered to be defensive juggernauts, correct?

The 90s Bulls scored way less, especially with the second threepeat.

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