You're the same guy that thinks he is tradeable and not a franchise player, yet insists that he needs to traded only for a "potential franchise player". That is a rather stupid thought.

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You're the same guy that thinks he is tradeable and not a franchise player, yet insists that he needs to traded only for a "potential franchise player". That is a rather stupid thought.

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Every single player in the league is tradeable. Stop bringing it up.

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Not every player has "potential franchise player" conditions attached to a trade for them. If the only way that Butler can be traded is for a potential franchise player then ultimately you don't think he can be traded. The two guys that currently fit that criteria are Porzingis and Towns, and neither team is going to trade them for Butler.

You are attempting to leverage both positions and it renders your thoughts useless at this point.

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That's the ticket right there, Hussra

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Stop mentioning Porzingis and Towns. Both are very good rookies who could be potential franchise saviors. Nobody is trading them. You sound ridiculous.

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Neither of those organizations is on the cusp of winning.

If a team was competing for a championship this year or next year, they would easily trade potential for Jimmy Butler.

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You are the guy the coined the phrase "potential franchise player" which player fits that description?

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The problem with this theory is that the teams competing for a championship generally don't have much in the way of potential to offer. If the Clips are seriously trying to trade Blake, which has been rumored by a few different places, the Bulls should go for it. Of course they won't in reality, but ideally.

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Which player constitutes a "potential franchise player"?

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I didn't coin anything. That phrase has been around forever. Stop trolling.

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Jesus Christ, man. You're like a more retarded message board version of Marco Rubio.

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Blake Griffin is considered a top ten player by most. There is no way the Clippers trade him straight up for Butler. He also isn't a potential anything. He already has arrived.

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Bulls games would be more entertaining with Griffin on the team.

SportsGuy Bill Simmons thinks Doc Rivers should use Griffin off the bench, like how the Spurs use(d) Ginobili.

Butler + Mirotic might do it for the Clips. Can only play so many guys at once.

Jimmy Butler was SI's pre-season 18th best player in the NBA.

http://www.si.com/nba/top-100-nba-players-2016

I don't think he has done anything but increase that ranking this season.

I think we need to really focus on the fact that long time guy is on an island not believing Jimmy Butler is a top player in the game. 18th best player would mean that on 13 teams he would be the best player and star of that team.

I'd say if you're in the Top 20 players of the NBA, no one would seriously argue against you being a franchise player.

ESPN Fantasy: http://espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/s ... basketball 13th best

B/R: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2573 ... mp/page/16 12th best

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7 pages of pure dribble

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

drivel?

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The fact is that you sound stupid as fuck. You overvalued Butler. You came up with something that sounds stupid as fuck and you can't support it. I will conclude it with this. This was one of the dumbest interactions that I've probably had on here. That covers a lot of territory too. You are simply suggested that the only teams that the Bulls should trade with are teams that have players considered to be decidedly better than Butler. Pie in the sky ass trades that aren't going to happen.

The fucking Magic just refused to trade Oladipo for the guy and you wonder why I keep saying that a lot of you guys don't really know shot. You just talk on a damn message board and get guys that rarely disagree with to agree with you. When those occasions arise where they happen to disagree arise they choose to remain silent.

I ask legit questions based on comments that you made. Blake Griffin is not an example of a potential franchise player. He is a multiple time all star and one of the better players in the league.

I asked the question because I knew that the overvaluing of Butler would come out and it has.

Fact of the matter is that the Magic refused to give up Oladipo and other guys that will never be All Stars for a guy that you think has the potential to be potential Hall of Famer. You sound dumb as hell.

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For me it beats the Julie Di Caro thread by a wide margin. Save your angst for that.

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Link or it didn't happen

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long time guy:

1) Ignores the opinions of countless NBA reporters with hundreds of years of experience between them all when it comes to evaluating player talent
2) takes the word of three kids hosting a one hour program on a college radio station as gospel when it comes to NBA

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In my opinion there are probably 6-7 franchise guys in the league. I haven't thought long and hard about it but some teams possibly have 2 like OKC.

Franchise best player and Franchise player are two completely things in most cases. Butler is the Bulls best player but he is not a franchise player. Not in the truest sense of the word. Franchise guys are universal. We will disagree about and that's cool but I actually understand what you are saying on this.

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Basketball humor ..damn

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

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seven pages of pure dribble sounds like Hoiberg's playbook on offense

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A college radio station claims Orlando turned down a trade for Jimmy Butler so it must of been offered.

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Not conclusive. The same report says there are questions regarding what really happened. Therefore you cannot definitively say the Magic turned down Butler.

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Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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18th best player makes you an All Star. He is an All Star player. I have never considered the guy a bum. Im not in favor of trading the guy either. Not for Oladipo anyway. I think he is their most valuable and tradeable asset so any trades of significance would have to involve him.

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of course the Wolves aren't trading Wiggins or Towns they'd be insane
well, if Kahn was still there they might
This thread is exhausting

Now LTG thinks Butler is untradeable

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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