It's impossible you're this stupid.



Nothing wrong with my comprehension. This is what you wrote. You said Boston couldn't give away top 5 picks last year. And once again, you're wrong because they did have the Nets pick that we are talking about last year.

You might want to reconsider coming at me about the NBA. It's clear you don't know much about the league, and struggle just to keep up with a normal conversation on it.

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I have no intention of disparaging Butler. I have every intention of disparaging Hoiberg. Yeah I'm just not sold on Butler as your second best guy. Maybe if you have a deep team where the drop off between Butler as no. 2 and the next best guy isn't too steep, then I think I'd be fine with it.

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If Boston had a top five last season whom did they draft or trade for with it?

Also if you really know the league then you would know that they offered a slew of picks to Charlotte and CHarlotte turned them down. Charlotte had like a 7 or 8 pick and they still them down.

Its a constant game of gotcha and it really makes you look bad to constantly engage in it. I will wait for that top five pick answer also. I really want to know where that pick happened to go.

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Comprehension really isn't a strong suit. Its clear, though maybe not to you, that I was addressing separate points. I even separated the two statements in order to kill any confusion that may arise. You are just that dense to where it still confused you. Damn.

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I already answered your question. The last two years, any "top 5ish" pick from Boston was referring this Nets pick, none of their own. The Celtics weren't bad enough the past few years to ever have a top pick on the table.

And I'm not playing a game of "gotcha". I'm just pointing out that you say stupid, untrue shit constantly, often in a condescending manner, and yet you literally struggle to have a conversation about the NBA. It's just annoying, really.

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Let's break this down Barney style, since you're apparently fucking remedial.

-- We were talking about getting a top 5 pick from Boston for Butler

-- You said those picks are worthless and Boston couldn't give them away last year

-- After being called on this dumb statement, you changed it to say you were talking about Boston's mid-round draft picks, which in no way have the same value as the top 5 pick we were originally talking about.

This is why I say you have trouble literally just engaging in a normal, casual conversation about the NBA. You need therapy, or Jesus, or something.

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You said that the Celtics had a top five to trade last year. They didn't. Last year (2015). Also Butler turns 27 this year. I was off by a year sue me. Also you along with others keep making assumptions that the Bulls want Butler gone because of Hoiberg. That may or may not be true. They may not think he is all that good. Maybe GarPax have their own issues with Butler. Isn't that sort of made up bullshit?

When I said that Boston attempted to give away picks at no point did I say top 5 picks. THat's a damn lie. I never said it. You had to put two separate quotes together in order to make it appear that way. Isn't that "made up" bullshit?

Also it was known that Boston couldn't give those picks away. They offered them to Charlotte. What part of that is made up?

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The fact that Golden State hasn't tried to trade Steph Curry proves they know he has no value around the league. That's a fact. If he did have value how come we haven't heard of teams lining up to trade him? That dog just won't hunt. I know what I'm talking about.

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They had this Nets pick last year. This Nets pick would be the presumptive top 5 pick any time we are talking about Boston in the last year or two. You are wrong on this and should stop.


You were off by two years, not one. You said 28 and he is 26. You just can't stop saying untrue things.


Not once have I ever said this. You might be confusing me with vegan. Regardless, you are wrong again.


I really cannot follow what point you're making with these Boston picks. The part you are making up though is that they couldn't give them away. Even a 2nd round pick costs something in the NBA. Charlotte rejecting a trade offer has nothing to do with giving away draft picks. Once again, wrong.

Literally your entire post was filled with inaccuracies or outright lies.

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Its interesting that guys like you who have been banned from a message board for Christ sakes, are counseling people about therapy. That is the first thing. I don't want to digress too much from my original point though so I will attempt to remain on topic .

I missed the part where Nets picks was inserted. It still doesn't change my original point. You are not going to get a top five pick for Jimmy Butler. If you could I the Bulls shouldn't do it. I would rather have two established NBA players. This years draft is weak, so a top 5 player really isn't going to have much impact. Even if its the #1 player you probably aren't going to get an impact player. That's why the whole notion of acquiring top picks can be fool's gold. If it were this past year's draft yes. Next year's draft will be good also. If its a good draft Boston is not going to trade the pick.

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Boston attempted to trade their later picks for the #9 pick (Charlotte) and they were turned down. To say that they have value isn't saying much. Once again here comes the semantical argument which obscures whatever relevant points are made. I don't fault you. I really don't.

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Yes, Ben Simmons is going to suck, but we should try to get some average starters instead!

You're not good at this.

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I don't fault you either. I really don't. Trust me. I don't.

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Thank you for making a post with no lies or inaccuracies in it. Wasn't sure you had it in you.

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There is a question about "impact" with him. Those were my exact words. Always remember that it is I that makes shit up though. Listening Vegan? I never said that he will suck. WIll you please correct Favre Fan on this. Being the good co signer that you are I know that you won't though. Always remember it is I that is the habitual liar.

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If only you could apply this policy to yourself

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I'll correct it.

So, Ben Simmons PROBABLY isnt going to be an impact player, huh? Impact player is pretty vague. Care to be more specific? I cannot wait to hear your reasoning for not wanting to trade Jimmy Butler(a player you dont even like really) for a chance to draft Ben Simmons.

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Ben Simmons didn't impact the college game all that much did he? There are questions about his motor and his willingness to take over games. He also doesn't shoot particularly well and he also doesn't have a position in the NBA. He may be a tweener. He tended to disappear a lot this season. He is talented obviously but I don't know if I trade Butler for him straight. Obviously if it is offered Paxson probably will do it, but I'm not sold on Simmons. He isn't in the class of Towns, Okafor, or Porzingus in terms of being an NBA prospect. That is why I stated relativity earlier. Its all relative to the guys that come out that particular year. Top five is different during different years.

As weak as college basketball is his team missed the tournament. That says something about impact.

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Towns, Okafor, and Porzingis aren't even in the same class. Towns is far and away the better player right now and future prospect between those three.

I don't follow college basketball really at all, but everyone that I trust who does agree Ben Simmons had a miserable season and yet is still the concensus top pick and the best overall NBA prospect since Anthony Davis. Again, that's not really my opinion because I admittedly don't watch college basketball, but I'm guessing the truth is closer to that than him not being as good a prospect as Okafor.

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I can see LTG's point about relativity, but still I think GMs are going to target picks if the deal is right. To LTG's point, if Duncan is available in the draft then the value of a potential lottery team's pick shoots through the roof vs a year in which no clear consensus exists regarding the top prospect. That being said, il really not sure what the Bulls should do with Butler. They are underperforming and clearly Hoiberg is not the guy who is going to motivate everyone on the team to play to their potential. That's what bugs me about the team - I know they're not going anywhere but we're still used to having a competitive team that battles every night. That spirit is gone and it happened under Hoiberg's watch.

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Strong vs weak drafts is overrated. The 2000 draft was historically awful, and the '03 and '84 drafts were historically good. Outside of that it's usually a few winners and a whole lot of losers.

And also, I don't think this is a weak draft. I've read a lot about the 2016 draft in the past couple weeks, and everyone seems to agree it's a pretty good one. I haven't heard what ltg is saying. I'm sure he will now post a credible article from www.the2016nbadraftisweak.com to disprove my point.

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Hoiberg may be a problem but where I disagree with you is that I don't think he is the Bulls biggest issue. Talent is an issue on this team. I'm not the biggest Thibs guy but even they would have a hard time saying that this team would be much better under him. I watched Carmelo Anthony outplay Jimmy Butler on back to back nights. Most people on here think Butler is the better player, but Anthony has outplayed him in 3 of 4 matchups this year. I don't really see how that is Hoiberg's fault. I also watched Porzingus outplay Taj back to back nights. A rookie? I don't see how that is Hoiberg's fault either.

I think where Hoiberg has erred is that he is making some of the same personnel mistakes that Thibs made. Dunleavy is done. Terrible to resign him. Noah should have started at the beginning of the season. Gasol is not an elite center anymore either. He gave Thibs one of the best seasons of his career last year. He hasn't played nearly as well this season.

The Bulls interior defense got much worse once Noah went out. That's no coincidence. Taj Gibson is an undersized four that doesn't rebound well and offer little in the way of shot blocking. Gasol is terrible defensively at this stage but he rebounds and blocks shots. Mirotic hasn't been as good as advertised and his IQ stinks. Rose will never be a top ten player again either. Butler can't be your best or second best player.

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I disagree with this conclusion. In strong drafts you tend to get transformational players at No. 1. These guys singlehandedly change the trajectory of a franchise. In weak drafts it is difficult to find guys that can make the all star teams. There is a wide gap between Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Allen Iverson, Derrick Rose and Guys like Kwame Brown, Michael Olawokondi, and Anthony Bennett. If you happen to hold a high pick in a weak draft, you would be hard pressed to find a guy that can even start for your team. They definitely won't be considered a franchise guy. Conversely in a strong draft you should be able to find a guy to build your team around.


96 was also a historically good draft. The Derrick Rose draft was good draft. Some drafts are sort of what you describe above. In those drafts your No. 1 pick should still be a franchise type guy. i.e. the Dwight Howard draft. Yao Ming's draft also. Both were considered to be franchise type guys. Anthony Davis draft too. Even in an average draft your No. 1 should still be a franchise type player.

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