The bitter ones seem to be the Cubs fans that were looking forward to saying "Sox suck HAHAHA" and have to wait at least a month to do so.

Speaking as a neutral observer.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That's an opinion, but not really one shared by many knowledgeable people.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Stepped in and deposed the tanking general manager, installing an NBA lifer in his place.

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just a question.....how many teams that have tanked on purpose won World Series?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Told them to bring in someone like Colangelo(the rumor was they hand picked him) and told them that enough was enough. You didn't hear about this?

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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Rumor? I thought everyone knew Silver brought the Sixers' owner into his office and made it very clear that hiring Jerry Colangelo to supersede Hinkie would be a very good idea.

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You have to define tanking. The Giants had 4 bad seasons (and 4 corresponding high draft picks that were Lincecum-Bumgarner-Posey-Wheeler) that helped them win 3 titles.

Marlins for sure.

Royals.

The Giants never truly bottomed out, they just gradually got old and bad from being too Bonds-centric. I think Sabean was trying to put out decent teams but just put out crappy ones instead; everyone thought he was utterly incompetent for years. Not in the same conversation as the Marlins or Royals.

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4 years of averaging 73 wins and converting the draft picks, though.

And the Royals WERE trying for a long time and just kept having guys Bust out (Hochevar) or quit the sport (Greinke) or late bloomers (Hosmer, Moustakas, Gordon)

I guess we have to define tanking.

Sounds like the Sox!

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

The hilarious part is that the Cubs tanked for years and then spent huge amounts of money to finally be a true World Series contender.

Good luck to all those teams tanking who don't print money because of the town they are in.

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Well, yes, they did try to get better and fail along the way, but they did make at least two efforts to strip down and hoard assets in those ten years.

The Marlins' fire sale before 2006 was really something to behold.

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'87 Minnesota Twins (led by an exec that later came to the Cubbies and built a division winner "the right way")

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I am not sure you can included some teams like the Royals. Pirates either (I know they have not yet won a WS). Those teams simply sucked ass for 20 years over various management reigns.

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That's nuts, teams don't have an unlimited budget for payroll. The Tigers fans are stuck with some awful contracts with Upton,Verlander, Miggy etc.. That team will be stuck for awhile.

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You DO realize they just signed that asshole Upton right? "If" they're stuck, they continue to "stick" themselves with a pretty limitless looking payroll.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Well, they may be a special case because that old man knows he doesn't have much time and he can't take the money with him. But the spending isn't really helping them. They're not in a great spot in spite of the huge budget.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Yes..day of reckoning is coming, lotta dead money going to be tied up and handcuff this club.

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Don't make assumptions about the Tigers yet. They are 9-10 and may well get things going and contend before it's over this season.

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Go Cubs!!!!

I expect the Tigers to win maybe 85 games this year..


Verlander is 33 and is due 162 mill
Miggy is 33( allegedly) and is due 250 mill
Upton is 28 and is due 126 mill

All horrible contracts....they are fucked by those hendryesque deals.

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I expect the Tigers to win maybe 85 games this year..


Verlander is 33 and is due 162 mill
Miggy is 33( allegedly) and is due 250 mill
Upton is 28 and is due 126 mill

All horrible contracts....they are fucked by those hendryesque deals.

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I expect the Tigers to win maybe 85 games this year..


Verlander is 33 and is due 162 mill
Miggy is 33( allegedly) and is due 250 mill
Upton is 28 and is due 126 mill

All horrible contracts....they are fucked by those hendryesque deals.

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All players that can help them win now, even if the contracts are ridiculous down the road.

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Go Cubs!!!!

The classic brand prediction. If they win the division, he told you so. If they crash and burn, he said they may contend.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

The problem with the NL has a lot to do with those 5 teams, that you tried to just wave off,who are actively trying to lose. To not also include the Phillies and Marlins in that group is wishful thinking. The Diamondbacks may as well be without Pollock. So that's 8 NL teams with no fucking prayer at winning anything this year. All but one of them likes it that way. More than half the NL is hopeless.

What this means is the top of the NL gets to just thrash these garbage teams with relative impunity. Take the Nationals, who are basically the Bryce Harper show with a decent pitching staff. They are .5 games back of the Cubs for the best record in "Major League Baseball." But when you actually look at the Nationals and find that their obvious AL counterpart, the Angels, are probably 2nd or 3rd in line to win the weakest of the AL divisions it breaks this argument that the NL is merely top heavy. If the Nationals were in the AL they'd be about .500, same can be said for the Cubs. They are average to slightly above average major league teams that inflate their prowess by kicking the shit out of AAA squads.

Records are going to fall this year in the NL. Team ERA, run differential, possibly even single season wins... do you think that's because the Cubs are really that good? That the same Cubs team who got absolutely annihilated by a Mets pitching staff that would barely pass for good in the AL added a few guys who cannot hit (Zobrist and Heyward), a 40 year old pitcher (Lackey) and some other spare parts is now the greatest team ever? You're fucking kidding yourselves.

And before anyone says "Cubs dont pick their schedule or the teams they play", that doesn't excuse the fact that this Cubs 'juggernaut' is simply a creation of the garbage opposition they face. The Cubs dont pick the teams they play, but if they could the schedule they have is probably the one they would've picked.

That's bullshit. The Marlins are a good team. You are talking out of your ass and probably have never watched any Marlins games. The Diamondbacks are a decent team too. not one that is hopeless and tanking. The idea that the AL is a superior league at this point is a myth.

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The Marlins are 3 games better than the Braves you dolt. You know you can just Google "mlb standings" and it says RIGHT FUCKING THERE how wrong you are? The least you could've done is argue that the Phillies may have struck gold with the Ken Giles trade and could ride a young, solid pitching staff to a surprise year of contention in the weak NL East. But no, you chose the Miami Marlins as your hill to die on... so be it.

When two NL teams play each other, even when its Reds vs. Padres, someone has to win. Despite the fact the Reds and Padres would both rather lose that game, they both cannot walk away losers in that sense. Every single year MLB, as a whole, goes .500. Because NL and AL teams play each other much less than they play amongst themselves there is little room for much deviation of that .500 number within those respective leagues. The AL always whacks the NL around in interleague play though, this is as close to a sure thing as there is in North American sports.

So, even if half the teams in the NL want desperately to finish well below .500, it wont be possible. Even if the tanking NL teams were to all call up their rookie ball rosters and play a bunch of recently drafted 18 year olds, one of those teams would probably still win ~75 games because the "best of the worst" of the NL gets to beat up on half the NL.

Think of baseball as a marketplace with a finite number of wins and losses being traded. If half the buyers on the marketplace value losses more than wins, what happens to the cost of a win? It goes down. The price of winning a National League is (much) lower than that of the American League because such a sizeable portion of the NL views wins are worthess. So when the Cubs win 100+ games this year, you basically have to adjust that number for inflation to get a real idea of what that win total means. I hate to call things Economics 101, but this is Economics 101.

The Marlins are terrible.



Earlier you said they were a very good team. Now, they are just a decent team? Did WSCR tell you that they were a very good team?

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This is the scenario the NBA avoided with their Jerry Colangelo putsch. They have it bad enough already with the perception of meaningless teams playing meaningless games; imagine if 12 or 14 teams went full retard like the 76ers all at once.

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