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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:46 am 
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I didn't say that... are you saying they aren't a 100 win team?
I'm saying they aren't a .707 team.


and the article agrees with you. Using the pythagorean method they should have 3-5 more wins.

Here is the chart from BP: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/
So once again, do you think they will finish with a .707 or better winning percentage?

I don't care what some old dead guy thinks about the Cubs.

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Multiple gold gloves eh? :lol: No, Cub fans don't inflate their players at all.
Exactly what part of

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These two things are completely independent of each other.

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Multiple gold gloves eh? :lol: No, Cub fans don't inflate their players at all.
Exactly what part of

41-17

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These two things are completely independent of each other.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I didn't say that... are you saying they aren't a 100 win team?
I'm saying they aren't a .707 team.


and the article agrees with you. Using the pythagorean method they should have 3-5 more wins.

Here is the chart from BP: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/
So once again, do you think they will finish with a .707 or better winning percentage?

I don't care what some old dead guy thinks about the Cubs.


The odds are clearly against them seeing as how it has only happened 5 times in over 200 seasons of baseball and only twice in the last 75 years (150 seasons). The safe smart bet is they will not finish over .700 so like you I'd take the under...but it is not impossible although highly unlikely.


Here is the list of all teams over 700

1906 Cubs 116-36 .763

1907 Cubs 107-45 .704

1909 Pirates 110-42 .724

1927 Yankees 110-44 .714

1931 A’s 107-45 .704

1939 Yankees 106-45 .702

1954 Indians 111-43 .721

1998 Yankees 114-48 .704

2001 Mariners 116-46 .716

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THE INQUISITOR wrote:
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I didn't say that... are you saying they aren't a 100 win team?
I'm saying they aren't a .707 team.


and the article agrees with you. Using the pythagorean method they should have 3-5 more wins.

Here is the chart from BP: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/
So once again, do you think they will finish with a .707 or better winning percentage?

I don't care what some old dead guy thinks about the Cubs.


The odds are clearly against them seeing as how it has only happened 5 times in over 200 seasons of baseball and only twice in the last 75 years (150 seasons). The safe smart bet is they will not finish over .700 so like you I'd take the under...but it is not impossible although highly unlikely.


Here is the list of all teams over 700

1906 Cubs 116-36 .763

1907 Cubs 107-45 .704

1909 Pirates 110-42 .724

1927 Yankees 110-44 .714

1931 A’s 107-45 .704

1939 Yankees 106-45 .702

1954 Indians 111-43 .721

1998 Yankees 114-48 .704

2001 Mariners 116-46 .716
So yeah, you agree the current winning percentage is over inflated, like I said.

Thanks for agreeing with me!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
THE INQUISITOR wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
THE INQUISITOR wrote:
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THE INQUISITOR wrote:
I didn't say that... are you saying they aren't a 100 win team?
I'm saying they aren't a .707 team.


and the article agrees with you. Using the pythagorean method they should have 3-5 more wins.

Here is the chart from BP: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/
So once again, do you think they will finish with a .707 or better winning percentage?

I don't care what some old dead guy thinks about the Cubs.


The odds are clearly against them seeing as how it has only happened 5 times in over 200 seasons of baseball and only twice in the last 75 years (150 seasons). The safe smart bet is they will not finish over .700 so like you I'd take the under...but it is not impossible although highly unlikely.


Here is the list of all teams over 700

1906 Cubs 116-36 .763

1907 Cubs 107-45 .704

1909 Pirates 110-42 .724

1927 Yankees 110-44 .714

1931 A’s 107-45 .704

1939 Yankees 106-45 .702

1954 Indians 111-43 .721

1998 Yankees 114-48 .704

2001 Mariners 116-46 .716
So yeah, you agree the current winning percentage is over inflated, like I said.

Thanks for agreeing with me!


The current winning percentage is NOT over inflated..... based on the numbers you choose to ignore they Cubs are actually under preforming.

Now if you are talking can the Cubs sustain the current peace the historic odds say NO.

So I don't agree with you..... got it?

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The current winning percentage is NOT over inflated..... based on the numbers you choose to ignore they Cubs are actually under preforming.

Now if you are talking can the Cubs sustain the current peace the historic odds say NO.

So I don't agree with you..... got it?
The current winning percentage does not match with your opinion of what they are as a team. That means their record is overinflated.

Now, if you expected them to be a .707 or better team by the end of the year then it would not be. But you don't, and therefore you agree with me.

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This is so dumb. You're saying two different things.

Inquisitor is stating that based on the Cubs "metrics", the Cubs could be a couple of games better, to this point.

Rick is stating that the Cubs are likely to finish the season with a winning percentage of less than .707.

Both are correct. Move on.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
THE INQUISITOR wrote:
The current winning percentage is NOT over inflated..... based on the numbers you choose to ignore they Cubs are actually under preforming.

Now if you are talking can the Cubs sustain the current peace the historic odds say NO.

So I don't agree with you..... got it?
The current winning percentage does not match with your opinion of what they are as a team. That means their record is overinflated.

Now, if you expected them to be a .707 or better team by the end of the year then it would not be. But you don't, and therefore you agree with me.


The CURRENT and FUTURE are two different things...

The CURRENT record is 41-17 .707 and the peripheral numbers say they are under preforming.
What makes you think that the 41 wins are inflated? What numbers that they have put up aren't real?
Are you saying what has happened in the first 58 games didn't happen?

The FUTURE is an unknown but history is against them. Only 5 teams in history have played .707
is the pitching going to regress to the norm? most likely those numbers are in the book they won't change.

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This is so dumb. You're saying two different things.

Inquisitor is stating that based on the Cubs "metrics", the Cubs could be a couple of games better, to this point.

Rick is stating that the Cubs are likely to finish the season with a winning percentage of less than .707.

Both are correct. Move on.


and I agree with Rick on the most probable future...

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This is so dumb. You're saying two different things.

Inquisitor is stating that based on the Cubs "metrics", the Cubs could be a couple of games better, to this point.

Rick is stating that the Cubs are likely to finish the season with a winning percentage of less than .707.

Both are correct. Move on.




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The current winning percentage is NOT over inflated..... based on the numbers you choose to ignore they Cubs are actually under preforming.

Now if you are talking can the Cubs sustain the current peace the historic odds say NO.

So I don't agree with you..... got it?
The current winning percentage does not match with your opinion of what they are as a team. That means their record is overinflated.

Now, if you expected them to be a .707 or better team by the end of the year then it would not be. But you don't, and therefore you agree with me.


The CURRENT and FUTURE are two different things...

The CURRENT record is 41-17 .707 and the peripheral numbers say they are under preforming.
What makes you think that the 41 wins are inflated? What numbers that they have put up aren't real?
Are you saying what has happened in the first 58 games didn't happen?

The FUTURE is an unknown but history is against them. Only 5 teams in history have played .707
is the pitching going to regress to the norm? most likely those numbers are in the book they won't change.
But their record is overinflated then just like it was for the White Sox.

I'm not arguing the factual nature of where they are now. I'm saying they have a better percentage than you expect them to.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
THE INQUISITOR wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
THE INQUISITOR wrote:
The current winning percentage is NOT over inflated..... based on the numbers you choose to ignore they Cubs are actually under preforming.

Now if you are talking can the Cubs sustain the current peace the historic odds say NO.

So I don't agree with you..... got it?
The current winning percentage does not match with your opinion of what they are as a team. That means their record is overinflated.

Now, if you expected them to be a .707 or better team by the end of the year then it would not be. But you don't, and therefore you agree with me.


The CURRENT and FUTURE are two different things...

The CURRENT record is 41-17 .707 and the peripheral numbers say they are under preforming.
What makes you think that the 41 wins are inflated? What numbers that they have put up aren't real?
Are you saying what has happened in the first 58 games didn't happen?

The FUTURE is an unknown but history is against them. Only 5 teams in history have played .707
is the pitching going to regress to the norm? most likely those numbers are in the book they won't change.
But their record is overinflated then just like it was for the White Sox.

I'm not arguing the factual nature of where they are now. I'm saying they have a better percentage than you expect them to.


If you go back and look at the Sox numbers when they were hot they were out preforming the peripherals ... while the Cubs are under preforming thier current peripherals....

and you are correct most people would not have had them winning at a .707 rate.... but they are and the numbers say they should be doing better

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That wasnt about the Cubs. It was about one of your moronic posts. If you care to reply, go ahead. If not, I will assume victory.

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That wasnt about the Cubs. It was about one of your moronic posts. If you care to reply, go ahead. If not, I will assume victory.


desperation sets rears it's head in the subdivision.... jealous sock fans continue to infiltrate the Cubs section...

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The con job continues as AA is another in the long line of failed Cubs prospects......

"THE PLAN " is a total failure... no comparison to #WINNOW or #RELOAD

The "subbies" were right all along...why did any of you question them?

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If they bothered to bring him up, they should be playing him more.

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If they bothered to bring him up, they should be playing him more.

They do not have to. Many good players to choose from. :lol:


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If they bothered to bring him up, they should be playing him more.

They do not have to. Many good players to choose from. :lol:


That's true.

Not my point. But true nonetheless.

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If they bothered to bring him up, they should be playing him more.

They do not have to. Many good players to choose from. :lol:


That's true.

Not my point. But true nonetheless.

Who do you want patrolling left for the Cub?

Coghlan
Almora Jr.
Carl Crawford

Me personally, I'd move Fowler to LF, insert Almora Jr in the lineup and would've signed Crawford as opposed to reacquiring Coghlan.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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If they bothered to bring him up, they should be playing him more.

They do not have to. Many good players to choose from. :lol:


That's true.

Not my point. But true nonetheless.

Who do you want patrolling left for the Cub?

Coghlan
Almora Jr.
Carl Crawford

Me personally, I'd move Fowler to LF, insert Almora Jr in the lineup and would've signed Crawford as opposed to reacquiring Coghlan.


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Big Coghlan fan, are ya?

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I'd like to see Almora start in Center and Dex in LF though.

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Is there a contract situation that I'm not aware of? If so, I apologai.

But Crawford > Coghlan.

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Unless Crawford's a bad guy behind the scenes, I'd take him over Coghlan this year.


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are you only thinking of Crawford from the Rays? he's been bad in recent years. Soler would be better. Almora would be better. Coghlan has been better. There are hundreds of options available. Crawford was released from a playoff contender for a reason.

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Unless Crawford's a bad guy behind the scenes, I'd take him over Coghlan this year.


Coghlan can play 1b, 2b,3b, LF,CF,RF..... with LaStella out he is also the back utility inf behind Baez.He is 31 and they know him from 2015.

Crawford throws left and has only limited time in CF and has never played RF in his 15 MLB seasons. He is 34 and Maddon had him in TB , Theo had him in Bos.

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