Hussra on the muscle!

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When exactly is the post Lebron-Era supposed to commence?

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In 3 or 4 years.

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If so then the Bulls should be attempting to accumulate top 3 draft picks for the next 3-4 years which means they should deal Butler now. I can name any number of teams that have attempted to rebuild only to constantly be in that range of picking 5-10. Sac Kings come immediately to mind. Utah Jazz. etc. That does nothing for your franchise.

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In that case they should hire Hinkie. He has a much more proven talent for asset accumulation than any available executive, and I don't see why you let the guys who put the Bulls in the position to need to tank via their own incompetence also get to lead the rebuild.

If they're planning on rebuilding they should trade Butler. It was time to move forward. Rose wasn't going to be around next season either way.

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LeBron's TWTW and WINT went out the window Sunday night, after he did what he set out to do by returning to Cleveland.

In addition, LeBron has logged more minutes in the last decade than any NBA player in history over a similar time-frame.

He done.

Jordan won 3 titles--then spent a couple years shagging fly-balls for the White Sox organization. Then MJ won 3 more.

Listening to Gar talk about Lopez at the pressor made it sound like he knew they weren't going to land any big FA's lol


Solid trade tho. All the best to Rose, he was fun to watch those 1st few seasons.

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The state of the NBA The King gets 7 titles!

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I see GS getting Horford or Dirk or somebody Significant ..Cavs ain't repeating..west is king

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Agree with you. I don't trust GarPax to lead the rebuild. Far too many misses in the draft recently coupled with making trades that always appear to be dumps rather than moves which provide dividends. They also hold onto guys well past their expiration date.

I supported them prior to last season but not now. They should be launched too.

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The NBA's script writers are good for at least 6..

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

I've defended Noah ever since he was drafted. Never broke bad on my guy.

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At least get rid of Gar.

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OKC has the most talent in the West. Find a shooter or a point that can back up/play alongside Westbrook and look out.

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I wouldn't trust Hinkie, and I'm not sure how true your second sentence is. He didn't do a great job of stockpiling assets. Embiid was a terrible pick that everyone immediately knew was terrible, MCW never made sense considering what he was trying to do, and Okafor may or may not end up a valuable player. He did a pretty awful job, especially considering how low the bar was set.

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Agreed. Hinkie was terrible.

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While I agree the people over on the sixers realgm page really think he will be a superstar

Knicks fans hate the trade and think Phil got swindled.

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I agree, that's why in confident Cavs can't repeat..the two best teams next year were just in the WCF2 weeks ago and both are going to improve and cut some dead weight.

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I disagree. The Colangelos walked into a dream situation that they're about to ruin because they're far more incompetent at their job than Hinkie was.

I'm hardly a Hinkie apologist, but if you want to focus on tanking for the acquisition of assets, he's your guy. The Embiid pick was completely justifiable once they got stuck with the 3rd pick. I have no idea who you think they should've taken instead given that he had the highest ceiling in the draft. I'm happy to grant he wasn't the best at talent evaluation even if the Embiid example is the worst case to cite, but acquiring assets when you'd otherwise be a treadmill team is undeniably something he excelled at.

Idk man, it's not like this draft talent acquiring ability is exclusive to Hinkie. Sure, GarPax sucks, but they've never been in charge of a complete rebuild.

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Generally though if you're so bad at your job that your team suddenly needs to begin a complete rebuild, you're not left in charge of that rebuild. Paxson was already the longest tenured executive without a finals appearance in the league as it was; now he should get the benefit of the doubt for another 2-4 seasons from the fans because the Bulls are in rebuilding mode?

No, he should have been gone 2 years ago. We have to live with the fact of who owns this team, and deal with the tendencies of that man when attempting to craft any sort of opinion on the Bulls future.

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Sacramento is a horrible example. They are in bizarro land by themselves.

Utah's rebuild has actually been pretty successful. They're set up really nicely before their black guys GTFO out of weirdoville.

Couldn't disagree more about Embiid. It was clear he was always going to struggle with injuries. Many people said at the time that there was a good chance he would never play in the NBA. He may have had a high ceiling, but he was never going to reach it.

I don't think it's hard to find a GM to lose games on purpose. You just have to be on the same page from the owner to the coaches on what the plan is. I think it's fair to say Hinkie failed.

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Yeah I missed this from LTG... Utah's rebuild has gone very well. LTG what are you talking about here? Sacto blows. Small market. Mongloid owner. Incompetent front office. Best player is a petulant child. I'll give you the Kings, but they don't seem to even have a plan for anything.

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Embiid was the consensus choice at 3. Heck he was the front-runner for 1 before his specific pre-draft foot injury came up. Philadelphia was screwed first when Cleveland binked the #1 pick that year but even then no one really had a problem with them taking a risk on Embiid since he was clearly one of the 3 best players available in the draft if not the best.

Hinkie's talent wasn't just losing games (and the Sixers owners were on board with what he was doing before the other NBA owners threw a fit) but in fleecing teams for assets when the pieces the Sixers did have were peaking. Look at what he got for Holiday for instance when the team was going absolutely nowhere. The ability to maximize what you get back for the players you already have is hardly a strength for GarPax and indeed has been one of the longrunning weaknesses for them.

You can make a case for Gordon, Randle, Or Smart with the 3rd pick. I thought when they drafted Embiid it was a terrible selection. The guy suffered a stress fracture a week before the draft. You don't draft big guys with foot problems. Unforgivable selection by Hinkie. Could've traded back if they wanted to.

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I just looked up 3 post-draft evaluations for 2014 and every single one of them gave the Sixers an A or higher. Again I think Embiid's upside was such that it made the risk worth it. He was the obvious choice at that position and if they did trade down he'd have been scooped up immediately. There's a difference between picks that don't work out and utterly bad picks, and I think trying to paint Embiid as the latter is revisionist. I'd be more comfortable with that as my first round decision, than, say, trading up for Doug McDermott in that same draft.

We need to hire Isaiah Thomas.

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