Stockton is the greatest pure PG .

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No way man. No way.

That we can agree on.

DJ was cool but I caught him in the Boston yrs. I wish I would have seem him with Seattle. Mark Jackson was really good with Pitino as a rookie. Solid not spectacular. Hated they fucked over Strick for him in NY. Price was solid. None would I have placed in the top 5 pgs of the era. Maybe not even top 10. I would have to think but there were some elite pgs back then.

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As far as Stockton goes I never got the feeling that he dominated guys that he was matched up against. He couldn't get you a bucket when you needed it and couldn't break his man down. You game planned more against the system than you did against him. He also used to be outplayed during the playoffs when matched up against other top points.

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The Jackson and Ewing combo should've done more.

And I think you're selling Price short, no pun intended. He was a hell of a PG. He was fearless, he could shoot and played decent defense. And those Cavalier teams of his would mop the floor with most of todays teams in the NBA. If it weren't for MJ and the Bull, the Cavs might have had a dynasty. Oh, and Brad Daugherty's bad back also played a role.

Certainly, I could gain 300 pounds and still be the best pound for pound scorer in the history of the league to some degree.

In fact, I did gain 300 pounds, just for fun, to prove that very fact, naturally. And then, quite naturally, I lost it. Subsequently, I look good and picked up a hot wife.

And tell Scotty to stop selling all his houses. It looks bad.

YOU TELL HIM I SAID IT.

MJ, why did you major in Geography?

He wasn't a scorer but could create his own shot and on occasion get hot and carry his team. Stockton played defense and made everyone on the court better

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Of course, I like to know where things are. I think I've been quite clear on that point to some degree.

Those Cavs teams were stacked but they didn't have a great player that could win a game for you.

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Oh yes they did. Daugherty if not for injury would have been in the hall of fame. Injuries derailed that team not a lack of talent.

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If there is no Jordan, who was beating those Cleveland teams?

Joe Wolf or Horace Grant... who'd you rather have on your team?

And your answer can't be Walter Davis.

In the East? Maybe the Knicks or the Pistons.

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The trade that Cleveland used to acquire Daugherty is one of the worst in history. Philly made 2 of the dumbest trades in NBA history . Those trades have haunted their franchise for the past 30 yrs.

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New York gives them a battle, but I think the Pistons were running on fumes by 91.

And they're rolling through Barkley's Sixers and the Terry Cummings led Bucks.

Pistons were getting old and the Knicks never had enough to win it all. They were a pretty patchwork franchise during the early to mid 90's. Your history is a tad bit off also. The Knicks of the late 80's early 90's were not in the conversation for winning anything. It would have been either Cleveland or the Bulls once Bad Boys faded.

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I didn't say the late 80's Knicks. That's why I said the Pistons. The early to mid 90's Knicks were good enough to beat the Cavs.

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Daugherty was taken as the first overall pick by the Cleveland Cavaliers in the 1986 NBA draft. Cleveland had obtained the rights to the first pick in a trade with the Philadelphia 76ers for Roy Hinson and cash. The Cavaliers also drafted Ron Harper with the eighth pick in the 1986 draft and obtained the rights to Mark Price (in a trade with the Dallas Mavericks) the 25th pick (second round). Harper, Price and Daugherty, along with fellow rookie John "Hot Rod" Williams immediately began to pay dividends for Cleveland. Daugherty, Williams, and Harper were all named to the 1986–87 All-Rookie team.

That's one hell of a draft night.

Jordan hit the shot on Ehlo in 89. The Cavs window closed in about 91 or 92. The Knicks weren't contenders in those yrs.

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That same yr they also traded Moses for a broke down Jeff Ruland. I remember Philly's General Manager saying if Hinson would have been in the 86 draft he'd have been the No. 1 pick. Oops.

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89-90 Knicks were pretty good before Stu Jackson took the helm.

That's some bad GM'ing.

But at least they chose Barkley over Mel Turpin in 84.

They weren't title contenders. I remember Philly with Barkley having a better record. May be wrong but I remember Barkley'a Philly team with Johnny Dawkins being better and they weren't contenders either. Pistons were fading by 91 and have admitted as much. I remember that 92 team losing to New York in the first round as their last hurrah. It was officially over and the Knicks of 92 weren't anything special.

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Philly was set up to make a long run post Doc era and blew it. They were my favorite team in the early to mid 80's. MO Cheeks was from the Robert Taylor homes and I always liked their roster.

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Jordan was still sticking daggers in Cleveland. They were still a really good team. The Knicks pushed the Bulls the 2nd half of the first 3Peat.

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