Yes.

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Rondo is a huge upgrade over Calderon, and Wade is a huge upgrade over Dunleavy. I was more concerned about Butler on the floor than anything else. He also threw teammates under the bus. I never can recall Rondo doing that.

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Maybe someone can provide you with the list of #6 picks that have led teams to championships.

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Who is going "Championship or bust" now?

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No but only based on expectations and previous year performance. Do you look more fondly on the Bulls with Jalen Rise or the Bulls years with Ben Gordon? Or is neither fondly remembered because they didn't win?

Would a team rather be Toronto or Philly right now?

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I look fondly back on teams that were legitimate contenders. There were Bulls teams that were even if they ended up not winning the title.

That depends if Toronto is a legitimate contender this year. They probably aren't.

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If the Bulls make it to the 2nd round it would be considered a successful season.

Philly may never be a contender. Toronto took Cleveland to 6 games in the conf. Finals. I'd rather be Toronto.

The Bulls tanked in 98 and it took 13 years before they were serious contenders. Minnesota has been garbage for about 11 yrs now. Think about all of the high draft picks that they have had. You are hoping for #6 in the lottery draft picks and thinking that is the answer?

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Wut?

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Should be 98. Didn't proofread it.

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This is a terrible example. The Bulls aren't even close to Toronto who are easily the 2nd best team in the East. Toronto is probably a Lebron injury away from an NBA finals appearance. The Bulls wouldn't even take Cleveland to 5 games.

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Apparently the world of Brick has been lost on you.

Charlotte Hornets or Philly then?

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I understand what LTG is saying when it comes to rebuilding and I generally agree with him. He loses me when he tries so hard to find reasons to shit on Butler and blame him for last season and at the same time pretend Rondo has been a much better team player.

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The Bulls will be a BETTER team next year. I'm saying top 5 in the East.

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haven't seen that one in a while.

When the other option is hoping for a second round exit then yes I would rather start over and build up rather than signing guys over 30 after getting rid of guys for being too injured and old.

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To be honest Butler wasn't the biggest problem on the Bulls last season. I think it is equally wrong to place all or most the blame on Hoiberg, or Rose for that matter. The Bulls biggest problem last season stemmed from the injuries they incurred. I do think that Butler is overvalued on here though. He is a third option on a championship caliber team. The good thing is that the new market will pay him as a third option kind of player.

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The Bulls improved their team with these moves. They got younger too.

There is no greater basketball hell than being a perennial loser. Ask the Clipper fans. Sixer fans. TWOLVES. Sacramento. Draft is not a guarantee and if they keep Butler then you try and be competitive.

For as much as you bash Melo, check the Knicks pre Melo. About 11-12 years of being a laughingstock. He led them to their best season since 99. They'd much rather clamor for a season like that, rather than clamor for an opportunity to draft Channing Frye.

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Both Rondo and Wade are old by NBA standards and most likely will be gone by the time the Bulls are a championship contender.

But they aren't competitive. Your best case scenario is a first round victory. If that gets you excited then I guess we are different.

The Knicks are still a laughing stock.

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They will be a top 5 team in the East this year. They are a laughingstock, yet Etwaun Moore is a serviceable basketball player.

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I agree that they will likely not be a good shooting team, but worse? Rose and Noah were both terrible shooters last season. At least D Wade knows his limitations...he won't be chucking up 3's at inopportune moments like Rose did. I also think Butler will be helped by moving to forward.

That said, I don't have high hopes...but at least they should be interesting.

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Did the Bulls get anything of substance for Dunleavy and Calderone?

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They had to give up 2 second rounds picks to unload their contracts. It was really a good deal.

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he's kinda got you there..

He got a HUGE long term deal.

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The Pelicans certainly disagree.

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This move helps the Bulls next season, and hurts the Bulls over the next three to five seasons.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

GarPax needs to keep asses in seats I bet the season ticket renewals were down after last year and Wade will boost that. The attendance championship is all that matters for the next 2 years to Jerry.

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asses remained in the seats throughout the Tim Floyd era

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That was the post Jordan malaise

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