They keep advertising Stone as the best analyst in the game. How does that make Coomer feel?

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Completely agree.

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I'm not sure what you are saying here.

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RBI are a team stat. You can't control how many guys are on base when you come up and most hits are luck.

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Dude, you need a kerosene bath and a matchstick aftershave.

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That is exactly the Bernstein view of RBI.

You really think JORR believes that?

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Jorr has questionable views on baseball.

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I never understood why runs wasn't a more advertised stat. Growing up, it was always average/HR/RBI.

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That may be so, but I'd be stunned if that is truly how he viewed RBI.

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Yeah it was always kind of the 4th or 5th stat people would bring up during an AB.

Weird.

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Dude, you need to figure out your understanding of the game and stick with it. RBI are considered a "meaningless" stat in the same way pitcher's W/L record is.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Really, the only thing that's changed is the regard for the walk. If you're not scoring a run or driving one in, what the fuck are you doing and how valuable is it?

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You've lost your everlovin mind. W/L isn't meaningless. But it's very far from the best way to judge a pitcher.

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80 more pages.

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It's a better way to judge a starting pitcher than RBI are to judge a hitter. Or at least as good.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Whatever you say, slick.

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Okay, this isn't HVAC. I know this subject far better than you do and I can argue either side. You're all over the place because you don't really grasp the SABRmetric principles you sort of use to piss on W/L record which you ignore with regard to RBI. So what's a good stat to judge pitchers? FIP? Because that assumes luck on balls in play which would render RBI meaningless.

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BA w RISP is a good stat

Whatever you say, slick.

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To discount a player's RBIs is to discount how people respond to pressure. Danny argued yesterday that the fact that men are on base doesn't affect how good someone is at hitting a baseball. That may be true in a vacuum, but it completely ignores how people respond to pressure and stressful situations. That's like saying being in the final pairing of a PGA tournament on a Sunday afternoon has no effect on how good a golfer is at hitting a golf ball. It certainly is a factor. Just because you can't measure pressure doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Some people respond to it better than others. OBP with RISP would be a better measure of that, but it doesn't completely discount RBI as a stat.

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You're right Franky but then some would have to admit clutch or choke is real.

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That's basically the same argument in favor of W/L record for starting pitchers.

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w/l is same concept as rbi. neither or both. can't have it both ways.

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It's easy to shoot PAR on the range. Tell me what you do when money and pressure are on the line during a round. Back when I played a lot of golf, there were scratch golfers I wasn't the least scared of in a money game. However, there were 8 handicappers that scared the shit out of me. Maybe they were just sandbaggers. I don't know.

Perhaps, I'm wrong, is there a metric that measures the human element in pressure situations?

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Nope. Clutch is a myth. Remember?

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At least the guy with the Northwestern degree understands.

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Nope. Clutch exists. Except in the case of Jose Quintana.

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And Manny Ramirez.

Any situation was the same for Manny. Not a care in the world going on in that head of his.

I read an article that said Kofax was over .500 when his team scored two or less runs. He was the only pitcher in the modern era that was over .500 in that situation.

Was he just lucky?

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That's a pretty impressive stat. I wonder how other great pitchers rank when their team scored 2 runs or less.

Then again, it's not a fair comparison for modern day pitchers. Kofax's great years were before they lowered the mound. Which made it easier for hitters. Less scoring back then regardless of the pitcher. Still impressive, though.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/koufasa01.shtml