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Witnesses now telling cops there were 3 shooters.


There were 4 in Dallas


And the San Bernadino shootings were originally carried out by 3 well-armed white assailants.

But isn't Baton Rouge the city where the FBI arrested a group of black guys for stealing handguns for the purposes of carrying out a Dallas-like attack on police officers?


I believe so. Either a couple of days before or after the Dallas shooting.

One of those arrested was 12 years old. Breaking into a pawn shop at 2am? That's what 6th grade ? Wow

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Just a feeling about recent times. Something tells me a world of hurt is gonna be coming down. And it's not gonna be whitey cops suffering.

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Just a feeling about recent times. Something tells me a world of hurt is gonna be coming down. And it's not gonna be whitey cops suffering.

You mean people exercising their 2nd A rights as you have declared them and killing cops?


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The generalization of the police by Black Lives Matter and people not associated with Black Lives Matter has to stop. Each incident has to be viewed for what they are, separate incidents. The polive officers that commit these acts need to be prosecuted if they break the law. Conversely the vilification of police as a collective body needs to end.

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I guess LTG. What you are gonna get now though is cops closing ranks and being paranoid. Lots of shots first I think but hope I'm wrong.

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Just a feeling about recent times. Something tells me a world of hurt is gonna be coming down. And it's not gonna be whitey cops suffering.


Oh, this is gonna get worse before it gets better, no question.

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The polive officers that commit these acts need to be prosecuted if they break the law. Conversely the vilification of police as a collective body needs to end.

The second part won't happen unless the first part happens first.

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Just a feeling about recent times. Something tells me a world of hurt is gonna be coming down. And it's not gonna be whitey cops suffering.

You mean people exercising their 2nd A rights as you have declared them and killing cops?


You know, it is possible for you to state your opinions without constantly talking shit to other posters.

You are an insufferable person. Does it ever occur to you that even the people who generally agree with you think you're awful?

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The generalization of the police by Black Lives Matter and people not associated with Black Lives Matter has to stop. Each incident has to be viewed for what they are, separate incidents. The polive officers that commit these acts need to be prosecuted if they break the law. Conversely the vilification of police as a collective body needs to end.


By "generalization," do you mean the protests against police brutality? There's no reason to think those are going to stop any time soon.

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I should add that it's not necessarily BLM that police should be concerned about--rather, they should be worried about people like Gavin Long, individuals who are so alienated from our political and social institutions that they don't see political protest as a valid mechanism for achieving social change. Say what you will about BLM, but it is channeling black anger into a very conventional form of political expression. That's why Gavin Long found the movement's response to police brutality insufficient.

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The generalization of the police by Black Lives Matter and people not associated with Black Lives Matter has to stop. Each incident has to be viewed for what they are, separate incidents. The polive officers that commit these acts need to be prosecuted if they break the law. Conversely the vilification of police as a collective body needs to end.


By "generalization," do you mean the protests against police brutality? There's no reason to think those are going to stop any time soon.


Yes. Each instance needs to be evaluated as an isolated incident. Each time a police kills a person it is not an example of police brutality. Each time one police officer kills someone it should not be viewed as an indictment against law enforcement as a whole.

Successful prosecution of murderous cops will go a long way towards building up trust. I think there also has to be a cease and desist with respect to rushing to judgment too. It is not necessarily murder whenever a cop kills somewhat. Let due process playout before assuming that cops are guilty.

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I should add that it's not necessarily BLM that police should be concerned about--rather, they should be worried about people like Gavin Long, individuals who are so alienated from our political and social institutions that they don't see political protest as a valid mechanism for achieving social change. Say what you will about BLM, but it is channeling black anger into a very conventional form of political expression. That's why Gavin Long found the movement's response to police brutality insufficient.

With all of these shootings and stuff I think the bigger picture aspect of some of it beyond the obvious brutality of cops and racism of the system is the alienation alot of people feel in society these days. I kind of think all of the smart phones and technology has only made feeling alone more acute and I think it is pushing people towards this kind of violent action as a way to lash out because they have no real ties to anyone or anything worth living for so they just want to destroy. I think this comes into play in situations like this and other mass shootings along with some of the radicalized terrorist elements. I have no idea how to fix it mind you but I do feel like this alienation especially among young men is a real thing that is having an effect on the world.

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Just a feeling about recent times. Something tells me a world of hurt is gonna be coming down. And it's not gonna be whitey cops suffering.





This is becoming a trend, I'd guess it continues until the police are held accountable in this country.

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Tall Midget wrote:
I should add that it's not necessarily BLM that police should be concerned about--rather, they should be worried about people like Gavin Long, individuals who are so alienated from our political and social institutions that they don't see political protest as a valid mechanism for achieving social change. Say what you will about BLM, but it is channeling black anger into a very conventional form of political expression. That's why Gavin Long found the movement's response to police brutality insufficient.


Guys like Gavin Long and others are indirectly taking their cues from Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter has targeted the police and singled them out as the biggest problem afflicting blacks. On some level guys like Gavin Long believe that they will be martyrs if they commit such acts. Police brutality is now a cause celebre for people like Gavin Long.

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The generalization of the police by Black Lives Matter and people not associated with Black Lives Matter has to stop. Each incident has to be viewed for what they are, separate incidents. The polive officers that commit these acts need to be prosecuted if they break the law. Conversely the vilification of police as a collective body needs to end.


By "generalization," do you mean the protests against police brutality? There's no reason to think those are going to stop any time soon.


Yes. Each instance needs to be evaluated as an isolated incident. Each time a police kills a person it is not an example of police brutality. Each time one police officer kills someone it should not be viewed as an indictment against law enforcement as a whole.

Successful prosecution of murderous cops will go a long way towards building up trust. I think there also has to be a cease and desist with respect to rushing to judgment too. It is not necessarily murder whenever a cop kills somewhat. Let due process playout before assuming that cops are guilty.


What you say is true, but there's still MANY instances of police brutality throughout the country. Given this fact, there's no reason to expect BLM to cease conducting protests, especially since they generate so much attention. People are pissed. We are witnessing a serious legitimacy crisis for MANY kinds of authority in our country right now. The police should be glad that BLM is channeling anger towards political protest--because things could get a lot worse very quickly.

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Tall Midget wrote:
I should add that it's not necessarily BLM that police should be concerned about--rather, they should be worried about people like Gavin Long, individuals who are so alienated from our political and social institutions that they don't see political protest as a valid mechanism for achieving social change. Say what you will about BLM, but it is channeling black anger into a very conventional form of political expression. That's why Gavin Long found the movement's response to police brutality insufficient.

With all of these shootings and stuff I think the bigger picture aspect of some of it beyond the obvious brutality of cops and racism of the system is the alienation alot of people feel in society these days. I kind of think all of the smart phones and technology has only made feeling alone more acute and I think it is pushing people towards this kind of violent action as a way to lash out because they have no real ties to anyone or anything worth living for so they just want to destroy. I think this comes into play in situations like this and other mass shootings along with some of the radicalized terrorist elements. I have no idea how to fix it mind you but I do feel like this alienation especially among young men is a real thing that is having an effect on the world.
I think what everyone needs to understand, whether they are a white person, or a police officer, or a person who used a sad emoji on facebook for the police officers is that the justice system not only exists to punish those who do wrong but to give us all a feeling that if something is done wrong to us that there will be a means of retribution that doesn't involved violence.

The problem is that there is not a belief from many people that the current justice system does that in regards to incorrect police violence. Most police officers are good people who just want to do their job and do it well but the system is broken to the point of breaking down and there needs to be change on both sides.

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Tall Midget wrote:
I should add that it's not necessarily BLM that police should be concerned about--rather, they should be worried about people like Gavin Long, individuals who are so alienated from our political and social institutions that they don't see political protest as a valid mechanism for achieving social change. Say what you will about BLM, but it is channeling black anger into a very conventional form of political expression. That's why Gavin Long found the movement's response to police brutality insufficient.

With all of these shootings and stuff I think the bigger picture aspect of some of it beyond the obvious brutality of cops and racism of the system is the alienation alot of people feel in society these days. I kind of think all of the smart phones and technology has only made feeling alone more acute and I think it is pushing people towards this kind of violent action as a way to lash out because they have no real ties to anyone or anything worth living for so they just want to destroy. I think this comes into play in situations like this and other mass shootings along with some of the radicalized terrorist elements. I have no idea how to fix it mind you but I do feel like this alienation especially among young men is a real thing that is having an effect on the world.
I think what everyone needs to understand, whether they are a white person, or a police officer, or a person who used a sad emoji on facebook for the police officers is that the justice system not only exists to punish those who do wrong but to give us all a feeling that if something is done wrong to us that there will be a means of retribution that doesn't involved violence.

The problem is that there is not a belief from many people that the current justice system does that in regards to incorrect police violence. Most police officers are good people who just want to do their job and do it well but the system is broken to the point of breaking down and there needs to be change on both sides.


Correct. Killing "innocent" (yes they do exist) police officers as a means of protesting injustice does nothing to help the cause. Also we have to be mindful that some of the people doing the killing may have never been wronged by police either. Some are merely compensating for inadequacies that they may have in their own lives.

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Tall Midget wrote:
I should add that it's not necessarily BLM that police should be concerned about--rather, they should be worried about people like Gavin Long, individuals who are so alienated from our political and social institutions that they don't see political protest as a valid mechanism for achieving social change. Say what you will about BLM, but it is channeling black anger into a very conventional form of political expression. That's why Gavin Long found the movement's response to police brutality insufficient.

With all of these shootings and stuff I think the bigger picture aspect of some of it beyond the obvious brutality of cops and racism of the system is the alienation alot of people feel in society these days. I kind of think all of the smart phones and technology has only made feeling alone more acute and I think it is pushing people towards this kind of violent action as a way to lash out because they have no real ties to anyone or anything worth living for so they just want to destroy. I think this comes into play in situations like this and other mass shootings along with some of the radicalized terrorist elements. I have no idea how to fix it mind you but I do feel like this alienation especially among young men is a real thing that is having an effect on the world.
I think what everyone needs to understand, whether they are a white person, or a police officer, or a person who used a sad emoji on facebook for the police officers is that the justice system not only exists to punish those who do wrong but to give us all a feeling that if something is done wrong to us that there will be a means of retribution that doesn't involved violence.

The problem is that there is not a belief from many people that the current justice system does that in regards to incorrect police violence. Most police officers are good people who just want to do their job and do it well but the system is broken to the point of breaking down and there needs to be change on both sides.


Correct. Killing "innocent" (yes they do exist) police officers as a means of protesting injustice does nothing to help the cause. Also we have to be mindful that some of the people doing the killing may have never been wronged by police either. Some are merely compensating for inadequacies that they may have in their own lives.


BLM does not advocate violence against the police and would not even exist if it weren't for the overpolicing and mass incarceration of blacks that began with Nixon and has continued to the present. You seem to be arguing in favor of an unjust status quo.

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Tall Midget wrote:
I should add that it's not necessarily BLM that police should be concerned about--rather, they should be worried about people like Gavin Long, individuals who are so alienated from our political and social institutions that they don't see political protest as a valid mechanism for achieving social change. Say what you will about BLM, but it is channeling black anger into a very conventional form of political expression. That's why Gavin Long found the movement's response to police brutality insufficient.

With all of these shootings and stuff I think the bigger picture aspect of some of it beyond the obvious brutality of cops and racism of the system is the alienation alot of people feel in society these days. I kind of think all of the smart phones and technology has only made feeling alone more acute and I think it is pushing people towards this kind of violent action as a way to lash out because they have no real ties to anyone or anything worth living for so they just want to destroy. I think this comes into play in situations like this and other mass shootings along with some of the radicalized terrorist elements. I have no idea how to fix it mind you but I do feel like this alienation especially among young men is a real thing that is having an effect on the world.
I think what everyone needs to understand, whether they are a white person, or a police officer, or a person who used a sad emoji on facebook for the police officers is that the justice system not only exists to punish those who do wrong but to give us all a feeling that if something is done wrong to us that there will be a means of retribution that doesn't involved violence.

The problem is that there is not a belief from many people that the current justice system does that in regards to incorrect police violence. Most police officers are good people who just want to do their job and do it well but the system is broken to the point of breaking down and there needs to be change on both sides.


Correct. Killing "innocent" (yes they do exist) police officers as a means of protesting injustice does nothing to help the cause. Also we have to be mindful that some of the people doing the killing may have never been wronged by police either. Some are merely compensating for inadequacies that they may have in their own lives.


BLM does not advocate violence against the police and would not even exist if it weren't for the overpolicing and mass incarceration of blacks that began with Nixon and has continued to the present. You seem to be arguing in favor of an unjust status quo.


Would you consider this to be an example of "overpolicing"?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... sejgvC_NpA

Police brutality needs to be addressed. I just do not believe that it is the single biggest thing afflicting black Americans. It is not even in the top 5.

Also it is only unjust if people that are innocent are locked up.

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