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How great is Jose Quintana
Greatest 27%  27%  [ 4 ]
Really Great 33%  33%  [ 5 ]
Great 40%  40%  [ 6 ]
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Poll works just fine

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Great at losing and no decisions. 41 wins in 138 starts.

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Great at losing and no decisions. 41 wins in 138 starts.


#ThanksSoxOffense

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Great at losing and no decisions. 41 wins in 138 starts.

This guy gets it.

Jorr, please prune the post above mine and lock the thread. Thank you.

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Maybe it only works for admins.

If I click "New Topic" the option to create a poll isn't there.

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Maybe it only works for admins.

If I click "New Topic" the option to create a poll isn't there.


I'll have to play around with it later.

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Maybe it only works for admins.

If I click "New Topic" the option to create a poll isn't there.


I'll have to play around with it later.


Gross.

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Maybe it only works for admins.

If I click "New Topic" the option to create a poll isn't there.


I'll have to play around with it later.


During football season because, "one hand on the remote and the other on yourself".

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Nas wrote:
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Maybe it only works for admins.

If I click "New Topic" the option to create a poll isn't there.


I'll have to play around with it later.


During football season because, "one hand on the remote and the other on yourself".


I train year round.

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You forgot to add "Mediocre" to your poll.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
You forgot to add "Mediocre" to your poll.


I will once you can list all the pitchers with winning records that have the least amount of run support in baseball or have been in the bottom 7 every year of their careers.

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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
You forgot to add "Mediocre" to your poll.


I will once you can list all the pitchers with winning records that have the least amount of run support in baseball or have been in the bottom 7 every year of their careers.


Here is how the pitchers with the worst RS/9 shape up in W, L and FIP-:

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For comparison, here is how the pitchers with the best RS/9 do in the same categories:

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A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance.

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A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance.


#Truth

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A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance.


Plot ERA's for starters and see how it comes out.....probably similar results.

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A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance.


Plot ERA's for starters and see how it comes out.....probably similar results.


Not for Quintana

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A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance.


#Truth

:lol: :lol:

No, thats as dumb as saying W/L is all that matters. Possibly dumber.

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IMU wrote:
A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance.


If that were actually the case wouldn't there be a losing pitcher better than Matt Cain somewhere in baseball history?

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Pitchers that had a combined 99.2 FIP- (just slightly better than average) were 78-127. Their teams provide 3.43 run support.

Pitchers that had a combined 93.5 FIP- (slightly better than slightly better than average) were 150-55. Their teams provide 6.70 run support.

There are three sets of statistics here. Two of them seem to be connected heavily. One seems to not move much.
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IMU wrote:
A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance.


If that were actually the case wouldn't there be a losing pitcher better than Matt Cain somewhere in baseball history?

Besides Jose Quintana you mean?

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Pitchers that had a combined 99.2 FIP- (just slightly better than average) were 78-127. Their teams provide 3.43 run support.

Pitchers that had a combined 93.5 FIP- (slightly better than slightly better than average) were 150-55. Their teams provide 6.70 run support.

There are three sets of statistics here. Two of them seem to be connected heavily. One seems to not move much.



This is sleight of hand using a 20 game sample. I don't believe there is a pitcher in big league history who got 6.7 runs of "support" over his career.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
This is sleight of hand using a 20 game sample. I don't believe there is a pitcher in big league history who got 6.7 run of "support" over his career.


Since 2000, here are the top- and bottom-15 in RS/9 for their careers, with the same stats as before, and a few more for context (min. 500 IP):

Worst:
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The top 3 guys were relivers for somewhat long stretches during thier career.

Oliver
Starts 229, games pitched 766

Hermanson
Starts 180, games pitched 357

Boomer
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I would love to have him on the Cubs.
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Peoria Matt wrote:
I would love to have him on the Cubs.


Sox would take Schwarber and Heyward.

Fucking dopes.

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I would love to have him on the Cubs.

I would also love to have him on the Cubs.

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Guys, please stop. You're hurting Darkside's feelings.

Keep it up sunny Jim, and I'll send a love letter in your name to Annie.

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There's no reason a truly good pitcher who gets 3.6-4 runs in support should have a losing record.
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There's no reason a truly good pitcher who gets 3.6-4 runs in support should have a losing record.


Huh?

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There's no reason a truly good pitcher who gets 3.6-4 runs in support should have a losing record.


Huh?


Oh yeah, the qualifier was "great." Even worse.
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