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They're not going to trade away stars on their current team. Cubs wouldn't be trading Rizzo or Bryant in a Sale deal for the same reason.


Probably not, but the Sox don't have to trade Sale either. And asking for Bradley or Betts isn't quite the same as asking for Bryant or Rizzo. That would be more like asking for Bogaerts which just means you aren't really interested in a deal.

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Yes.

No one has no idea how he bounces back. Teams want him. Perfect DH material. But I don't think they do it....they love him.



I stand with this front office in identifying and developing hitting talent. If they are this far out there with schwarber, i'm going to go with them.


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win the World Series just like the Cubs wouldn't help the Sox if they were a World Series contender.

This is as it should be. Sale is soft in the head anyways too worried about dumb shit. I guess that is what happens when you have to listen to Robin Ventura in meetings all the time.

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Schwarber is the best hitter on the team and will probably win an MVP at some point in his career. Get the thought of trading Schwarber out of your head.


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Has it ever been floated about moving Rizzo to left?

He's more athletic than Schwarber.

He's a team leader/team first guy.

Theo and the front office guys go to him after this season and gauge his interest. He works on playing LF all offseason and he's in left full time and Schwarber is at 1b.


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Has it ever been floated about moving Rizzo to left?

He's more athletic than Schwarber.

He's a team leader/team first guy.

Theo and the front office guys go to him after this season and gauge his interest. He works on playing LF all offseason and he's in left full time and Schwarber is at 1b.


You don't take a perennial gold glove candidate off of first and move him some where he has never played. Then replace him with another guy who has never played first. You just made two positions worse defensively.


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They're not going to trade away stars on their current team. Cubs wouldn't be trading Rizzo or Bryant in a Sale deal for the same reason.


Probably not, but the Sox don't have to trade Sale either. And asking for Bradley or Betts isn't quite the same as asking for Bryant or Rizzo. That would be more like asking for Bogaerts which just means you aren't really interested in a deal.

Maybe you're right. They're all studs though...those three. And to a lesser extent Shaw.

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Schwarber is the best hitter on the team.

This is just crazy.

How did you determine that?

I get where JORR and dolphin come from when they talk about YOU Cubs fans falling in love with prospects.

The Cubs have found 8 position players that have worked out extremely well at their positions. The Cubs have the best record in baseball (as of a day or two ago...think it still is the case). Schwarber has not been a part of that. Why are you breaking up this core because of what someone MIGHT be? We're past needing to hope for prospects to pan out. We have found a bunch that did. If other teams are willing to take risks on Schwarber and will compensate the Cubs very well for that risk...make the fucking move.

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Has it ever been floated about moving Rizzo to left?

He's more athletic than Schwarber.

He's a team leader/team first guy.

Theo and the front office guys go to him after this season and gauge his interest. He works on playing LF all offseason and he's in left full time and Schwarber is at 1b.


You don't take a perennial gold glove candidate off of first and move him some where he has never played. Then replace him with another guy who has never played first. You just made two positions worse defensively.


Well I think it's fair to say that given an off-season to work at it, Rizzo would be an improvement over Schwarber in left. Obviously Schwarber would be worse than Rizzo at first, but I don't think you could say both positions would be worse off.

Hopefully Rizzo has a far less chance of killing himself or others in LF compared to Schwarber.


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Schwarber is the best hitter on the team and will probably win an MVP at some point in his career. Get the thought of trading Schwarber out of your head.


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Schwarber is the best hitter on the team and will probably win an MVP at some point in his career. Get the thought of trading Schwarber out of your head.





Not concerned with future knee problems? I see this guy as a DH-1st baseman in the AL...no room for him here unless ya trade Rizzo...Rizzo > Schwarber.

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Has it ever been floated about moving Rizzo to left?

He's more athletic than Schwarber.

He's a team leader/team first guy.

Theo and the front office guys go to him after this season and gauge his interest. He works on playing LF all offseason and he's in left full time and Schwarber is at 1b.


You don't take a perennial gold glove candidate off of first and move him some where he has never played. Then replace him with another guy who has never played first. You just made two positions worse defensively.


Well I think it's fair to say that given an off-season to work at it, Rizzo would be an improvement over Schwarber in left. Obviously Schwarber would be worse than Rizzo at first, but I don't think you could say both positions would be worse off.

Hopefully Rizzo has a far less chance of killing himself or others in LF compared to Schwarber.

Kyle wasn't a stiff in left. He had a freak accident...should have let center take the ball. I'd give him a full season in left before you decide he can't play it. Rizzo should stay at first, he has back problems.

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He absolutely was a stiff in left.

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One win is all it takes to send you guys back to ridiculousness. Some people can't handle even modest success.

I thought we had turned a corner but I'll go back to not posting in the Cubs section for the better of the board. I don't have the self control to go full troll on this stuff

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One win is all it takes to send you guys back to ridiculousness. Some people can't handle even modest success.

I thought we had turned a corner but I'll go back to not posting in the Cubs section for the better of the board. I don't have the self control to go full troll on this stuff

:lol: you are so full of it

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He absolutely was a stiff in left.

He always gets compared to Dunn. He'll be a decent leftfielder as far as leftfielders go. Have we already forgotten the Glenallen Hill experiment?

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Kyle wasn't a stiff in left. He had a freak accident...should have let center take the ball. I'd give him a full season in left before you decide he can't play it. Rizzo should stay at first, he has back problems.


Did you see game 3 of the NLCS last season?

Look, he might not be the worst LF out there. I just supect Rizzo would be better out there.

It's not going to happen regardless, but if feelings didn't matter the Cubs are probably better defensively with Rizzo in left after an offseason to work out there and Schwarber at first after an offseason to work there.


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It's not going to happen regardless, but if feelings didn't matter the Cubs are probably better defensively with Rizzo in left after an offseason to work out there and Schwarber at first after an offseason to work there.


that is other-worldly ridiculous thinking there.

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It's not going to happen regardless, but if feelings didn't matter the Cubs are probably better defensively with Rizzo in left after an offseason to work out there and Schwarber at first after an offseason to work there.

You debate joe orr for 9 pages over percentage points, an then post this.

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Schwarber is the best hitter on the team.

This is just crazy.

How did you determine that?

By watching the games


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Schwarber is the best hitter on the team and will probably win an MVP at some point in his career. Get the thought of trading Schwarber out of your head.





Not concerned with future knee problems? I see this guy as a DH-1st baseman in the AL...no room for him here unless ya trade Rizzo...Rizzo > Schwarber.

His knee will be fine. That was a fluke injury.

His defense won't matter when he hits .338 with 47 homers in his MVP season.


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His defense won't matter when he hits .338 with 47 homers in his MVP season.

especially after they come to their senses and move rizzo into the outfield so schwarber can shine at 1B.


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His defense won't matter when he hits .338 with 47 homers in his MVP season.

especially after they come to their senses and move rizzo into the outfield so schwarber can shine at 1B.


Not sure you get the idea.

Nobody says Schwarber will shine at 1b, he'll just be better there relative to his play in LF.

I mean it's pretty clear that his natural position is 1b, and he'll naturally be mediocre there.


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His defense won't matter when he hits .338 with 47 homers in his MVP season.

especially after they come to their senses and move rizzo into the outfield so schwarber can shine at 1B.


Also, he wouldn't be the first superstar corner infielder to move to the OF for the better of the team.

Chipper Jones did it in Atlanta, and even more recently a 400 year old Lance Berkman did it with the Cardinals.


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His defense won't matter when he hits .338 with 47 homers in his MVP season.

especially after they come to their senses and move rizzo into the outfield so schwarber can shine at 1B.


Also, he wouldn't be the first superstar corner infielder to move to the OF for the better of the team.

Chipper Jones did it in Atlanta, and even more recently a 400 year old Lance Berkman did it with the Cardinals.

Lance Berkman came up as an outfielder. He never played 1B until the second half of his career. He wasn't exactly converted from 1B to OF. He went back to his natural position. That doesn't fit your narrative too well.

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His defense won't matter when he hits .338 with 47 homers in his MVP season.

especially after they come to their senses and move rizzo into the outfield so schwarber can shine at 1B.


Not sure you get the idea.

Nobody says Schwarber will shine at 1b, he'll just be better there relative to his play in LF.

I mean it's pretty clear that his natural position is 1b, and he'll naturally be mediocre there.


His natural position is the batters box.

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I'm having a hard time stereotyping cubs fans as delusional or rational in this thread.

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His defense won't matter when he hits .338 with 47 homers in his MVP season.

especially after they come to their senses and move rizzo into the outfield so schwarber can shine at 1B.


Also, he wouldn't be the first superstar corner infielder to move to the OF for the better of the team.

Chipper Jones did it in Atlanta, and even more recently a 400 year old Lance Berkman did it with the Cardinals.

Lance Berkman came up as an outfielder. He never played 1B until the second half of his career. He wasn't exactly converted from 1B to OF. He went back to his natural position. That doesn't fit your narrative too well.


I mean come on dude, that's more bullshit than JORR could sling.

Berkman played 120+ games as a 35 year old in 2011 for the Cardinals. The last game at OF he played before that was in 2007 when he played 30 games in the OF. The last time he played the majority of games in the OF was 2004 when he was 28 years old.

I mean shit, if you think it is stupid to move Rizzo to LF just say so, I'd probably agree with that. But to say that at 35 Lance Berkman moved back to OF to play his natural position is akin to saying that a 35 year old woman that weighs 60 pounds doesn't have an eating disorder, she' just back at her natural weight that she had as a 13 year old.

I mean if you crawled onto some chick's uterus is that back in your natural position?


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I'm having a hard time stereotyping cubs fans as delusional or rational in this thread.


Just stick to the Sox forum and you won't have to analyze.

You are welcome in advance.


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His defense won't matter when he hits .338 with 47 homers in his MVP season.

especially after they come to their senses and move rizzo into the outfield so schwarber can shine at 1B.


Also, he wouldn't be the first superstar corner infielder to move to the OF for the better of the team.

Chipper Jones did it in Atlanta, and even more recently a 400 year old Lance Berkman did it with the Cardinals.

Lance Berkman came up as an outfielder. He never played 1B until the second half of his career. He wasn't exactly converted from 1B to OF. He went back to his natural position. That doesn't fit your narrative too well.


I mean come on dude, that's more bullshit than JORR could sling.

Berkman played 120+ games as a 35 year old in 2011 for the Cardinals. The last game at OF he played before that was in 2007 when he played 30 games in the OF. The last time he played the majority of games in the OF was 2004 when he was 28 years old.

I mean shit, if you think it is stupid to move Rizzo to LF just say so, I'd probably agree with that. But to say that at 35 Lance Berkman moved back to OF to play his natural position is akin to saying that a 35 year old woman that weighs 60 pounds doesn't have an eating disorder, she' just back at her natural weight that she had as a 13 year old.

I mean if you crawled onto some chick's uterus is that back in your natural position?

You're the one trying to change the definition of natural position, not me.

He started in OF and he has played more games in OF. He was an outfielder.

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