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You are quick to challenge me when I make a negative comment about Republicans. So, it stands to reason that it hits home.

Maybe I am mistaken, but I don't remember you challenging those who make similar comments about Democrooks.
I skew more towards a Republican than a Democrat. That doesn't make me a Conservative. You do know they aren't the same thing right?

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I'd guess the threat of sharia law would be more of a local thing than the national population statistics that Chus quoted earlier.
The Muslim population is exploding (Har har) is some locals such as Dearborn... where 41% identify as Arab. Is it completely unrealistic to think that it could happen there with a majority population of arabs?

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You are quick to challenge me when I make a negative comment about Republicans. So, it stands to reason that it hits home.

Maybe I am mistaken, but I don't remember you challenging those who make similar comments about Democrooks.
I skew more towards a Republican than a Democrat. That doesn't make me a Conservative. You do know they aren't the same thing right?


I said Republicans, and then you challenged me. If you aren't a Republican, why do you feel so slighted?

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I am an Islam apologist, because I don't go as hard at them as you do. It's really lazy of you to imply that.


I don't go any harder at these ideas than any other ideas that I find to be immoral and anti-human. They shouldn't be defended. The hijab shouldn't be cheered on any more than a swastika armband or a confederate flag t-shirt. These thoughts should get no special consideration because they are part of a religion.


I don't defend Islam. Why do you keep saying these things to me?



You laughed off the potential of Sharia law as if it was nothing at all for an American to be concerned with. Do you not think they thought the same thing in Sweden thirty years ago? I don't believe the Muslim population of Sweden is that great on paper, probably less than 10%, but that isn't stopping its effect on the culture. There are definitely areas in Malmo that are almost 100% Muslim. The Westboro Baptist Church is thirty idiots in a single family. All due respect, I just don't see you saying something like, "Who cares about them? They have no effect on anything. :lol: " Of course you're outraged by them, and rightfully so. But Islam is a far greater threat to your beliefs.

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I'd guess the threat of sharia law would be more of a local thing than the national population statistics that Chus quoted earlier.
The Muslim population is exploding (Har har) is some locals such as Dearborn... where 41% identify as Arab. Is it completely unrealistic to think that it could happen there with a majority population of arabs?


We still have the Constitution, which gives the people of Dearborn the freedom of religion. Me thinks it would be tough for Muslims in Dearborn to force the hijab on non-Muslims.

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Chus wrote:
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I'd guess the threat of sharia law would be more of a local thing than the national population statistics that Chus quoted earlier.
The Muslim population is exploding (Har har) is some locals such as Dearborn... where 41% identify as Arab. Is it completely unrealistic to think that it could happen there with a majority population of arabs?


We still have the Constitution, which gives the people of Dearborn the freedom of religion. Me thinks it would be tough for Muslims in Dearborn to force the hijab on non-Muslims.

Not sure that's really relevant. I mean if you have freedom to practice your religion as you see fit then why couldn't a majority population in a locale begin passing laws similar to sharia? I understand that Muslims believe that sharia law would supercede constitutional law. I would be more than willing to bet that it CAN happen and would eventually get to the Supreme Court. Who knows what those weirdos will get behind

Edit... weirdos referring to the Supreme Court justices.

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None of this will matter when the dead walk. We can all just claim things and the law takes care of itself.

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Chus wrote:
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You are quick to challenge me when I make a negative comment about Republicans. So, it stands to reason that it hits home.

Maybe I am mistaken, but I don't remember you challenging those who make similar comments about Democrooks.
I skew more towards a Republican than a Democrat. That doesn't make me a Conservative. You do know they aren't the same thing right?


I said Republicans, and then you challenged me. If you aren't a Republican, why do you feel so slighted?

Me: "I always find it interesting that Conservatives get grief for their thoughts on Sharia Law."
Chuse: "Who gave you any grief?"
Me: "I'm not a conservative."

You then changed it to a different discussion about me going after Democrats more than Republicans, and I explained why I am more likely to go after Democrats than Republicans.

I don't know what you want from me.

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There is no greater clash of hypocrisy than when feminists must confront the anti-feminist ideas of Islam.


I heard a gay dude the other day talking about being an "Islamophobe". He said, "Damn right, I'm afraid of Islam. It calls for my death."

Tell him to stop being a drama queen.

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problem [or good thing] is as first-generation immigrants give way to their children and grandchildren's generations, adherence to the ways of the old-country/religion lapses and lessens.

e.g., jewish immigrants to the U.S. have become more and more secular? or at least less orthodox/rigidly jew over time
so you end up with ultra-orthodox enclaves like Williamsburg/Boro Park in Brookyln, Kiryas Joel outside nyc or Oak Park outside Detroit.

Muslims slanging burner phones, chore, roses, lottery tickets, trojans, marlboro lights and cases of Bud Light out of their party stores in Dearborn aren't exactly keeping the strictest of faith.


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There is no greater clash of hypocrisy than when feminists must confront the anti-feminist ideas of Islam.


I heard a gay dude the other day talking about being an "Islamophobe". He said, "Damn right, I'm afraid of Islam. It calls for my death."

Tell him to stop being a drama queen.


Homophobe.

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Well, let's be honest here, it can certainly be interpreted that way. I work with a lot of muslims and even though none of them have tried to kill me yet, they do have some pretty strong anti-American sentiments. It worries me, but I just do my best to hope that people can work through the stereotypes. Its the radical conservatives that only fan these flames. I'm not blaming radical conservatives for Islamic law, but they certainly don't help.

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problem [or good thing] is as first-generation immigrants give way to their children and grandchildren's generations, adherence to the ways of the old-country/religion lapses and lessens.

e.g., jewish immigrants to the U.S. have become more and more secular? or at least less orthodox/rigidly Jew over time
so you end up with ultra-orthodox enclaves like Williamsburg/Boro Park in Brookyln, Kiryas Joel outside nyc or Oak Park outside Detroit.

Muslims slanging burner phones, chore, roses, lottery tickets, trojans, marlboro lights and cases of Bud Light out of their party stores in Dearborn aren't exactly keeping the strictest of faith.
I've heard that the feelings of "Death to America" skips a generation though.

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You laughed off the potential of Sharia law as if it was nothing at all for an American to be concerned with.


My actual comments were that it wasn't going to happen in three generations. Again, I just wasn't pushing as hard as you were.


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Do you not think they thought the same thing in Sweden thirty years ago? I don't believe the Muslim population of Sweden is that great on paper, probably less than 10%, but that isn't stopping its effect on the culture. There are definitely areas in Malmo that are almost 100% Muslim.


I'm not an expert on the influence of Islam in Sweden, so I can't really give you an educated retort, other than Sweden has 9 million people, and the USA has about 325 million people. Your analogy has a bit of a math problem.


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The Westboro Baptist Church is thirty idiots in a single family. All due respect, I just don't see you saying something like, "Who cares about them? They have no effect on anything. :lol: " Of course you're outraged by them, and rightfully so. But Islam is a far greater threat to your beliefs.


You don't hear me saying anything about the WBC. Who even talks about them anymore? They had their fifteen minutes. Didn't the old man die? I just don't like when they protested the funerals of soldiers, who died protecting the freedoms that those inbred goofs enjoyed. If they want to stand in the street with their "God hates Fags" signs, so be it. Like you say, it's better for their ignorance to be on display for all to see. Neither the WBC, nor Sharia Law, are in my town, so I'm not too worried about them.

I was disgusted with some wacky Christians, about six months ago. About forty of these idiots were standing at the intersection of Naperville Rd and Butterfield Rd in Wheaton, holding giant posterboards with bloody, aborted fetuses on them. That's wonderful imagery for my young children to see.

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Chus wrote:
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I'd guess the threat of sharia law would be more of a local thing than the national population statistics that Chus quoted earlier.
The Muslim population is exploding (Har har) is some locals such as Dearborn... where 41% identify as Arab. Is it completely unrealistic to think that it could happen there with a majority population of arabs?


We still have the Constitution, which gives the people of Dearborn the freedom of religion. Me thinks it would be tough for Muslims in Dearborn to force the hijab on non-Muslims.


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Not sure that's really relevant.


Then dismiss it as irrelevant.

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I mean if you have freedom to practice your religion as you see fit then why couldn't a majority population in a locale begin passing laws similar to sharia? I understand that Muslims believe that sharia law would supercede constitutional law. I would be more than willing to bet that it CAN happen and would eventually get to the Supreme Court. Who knows what those weirdos will get behind

Edit... weirdos referring to the Supreme Court justices.


Now, we are going down Hypothetical Rd. It would take centuries for the Muslim population in this country to be the majority. I don't see the point in arguing something that could possibly happen hundreds of years from now.

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Well, let's be honest here, it can certainly be interpreted that way. I work with a lot of muslims and even though none of them have tried to kill me yet, they do have some pretty strong anti-American sentiments. .


more anti-American than guys like Tim McVeigh and the kooks who took over that Federal facility out in Oregon?


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Chus wrote:
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You are quick to challenge me when I make a negative comment about Republicans. So, it stands to reason that it hits home.

Maybe I am mistaken, but I don't remember you challenging those who make similar comments about Democrooks.
I skew more towards a Republican than a Democrat. That doesn't make me a Conservative. You do know they aren't the same thing right?


I said Republicans, and then you challenged me. If you aren't a Republican, why do you feel so slighted?


Me: "I always find it interesting that Conservatives get grief for their thoughts on Sharia Law."
Chuse: "Who gave you any grief?"
Me: "I'm not a conservative."

You then changed it to a different discussion about me going after Democrats more than Republicans, and I explained why I am more likely to go after Democrats than Republicans.

I don't know what you want from me.


Absolutely nothing. I didn't take you task for anything.


But thanks for spelling my name correctly.

:lol: I still would like to know what BF's spelling of CHUSE was supposed to be. It had to be an attempt at an insult, but I can't figure out what it is.

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
Well, let's be honest here, it can certainly be interpreted that way. I work with a lot of muslims and even though none of them have tried to kill me yet, they do have some pretty strong anti-American sentiments. It worries me, but I just do my best to hope that people can work through the stereotypes. Its the radical conservatives that only fan these flames. I'm not blaming radical conservatives for Islamic law, but they certainly don't help.



What do you mean by "radical conservatives" and what effect do they have on beliefs set down in print about 1400 years ago?

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you guys sure managed to ruin this thread pretty quick..


Guilty as charged. :lol:

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Well, let's be honest here, it can certainly be interpreted that way. I work with a lot of muslims and even though none of them have tried to kill me yet, they do have some pretty strong anti-American sentiments. .


more anti-American than guys like Tim McVeigh and the kooks who took over that Federal facility out in Oregon?


Don't you think it's disingenuous to bring up Tim McVeigh every time a new round of Islamic terror takes place? What is the purpose of such other than to defend atrocities?

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You don't hear me saying anything about the WBC. Who even talks about them anymore? They had their fifteen minutes.

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what atrocities are we speaking of? CLH noted that these anti-American Muslims have yet to carry out their plan to take him out. Perhaps they doubt the legitimacy of Hoffy's claim to be an American. Once they secure a copy of his long-form birth certificate showing CLH is was born in the USA, Hoffy's days are numbered.

Tim McVeigh = shorthand for the radical right in America's tendency to speak and at times act as anti-USA as anyone on the planet.


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I'd guess the threat of sharia law would be more of a local thing than the national population statistics that Chus quoted earlier.
The Muslim population is exploding (Har har) is some locals such as Dearborn... where 41% identify as Arab. Is it completely unrealistic to think that it could happen there with a majority population of arabs?


We still have the Constitution, which gives the people of Dearborn the freedom of religion. Me thinks it would be tough for Muslims in Dearborn to force the hijab on non-Muslims.


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Not sure that's really relevant.


Then dismiss it as irrelevant.

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I mean if you have freedom to practice your religion as you see fit then why couldn't a majority population in a locale begin passing laws similar to sharia? I understand that Muslims believe that sharia law would supercede constitutional law. I would be more than willing to bet that it CAN happen and would eventually get to the Supreme Court. Who knows what those weirdos will get behind

Edit... weirdos referring to the Supreme Court justices.


Now, we are going down Hypothetical Rd. It would take centuries for the Muslim population in this country to be the majority. I don't see the point in arguing something that could possibly happen hundreds of years from now.

Doesn't have to be the whole country. That was my point.

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Global warming isn't going to put NYC underwater either but that gets debated.

Sometimes people go to extremes to make a point.

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You all have proven that we are extremely divided as a nation, and as long as that is the case, guys like Crazy Man will have too loud a voice.

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You all have proven that we are extremely divided as a nation, and as long as that is the case, guys like Crazy Man will have too loud a voice.

Were you the blue puker?

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I am not the blue puker.

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I am not the blue puker.

I'm pretty sure I know who it was based on who was still awake before and after the appearance of the blue puke. It was only possibly 5 people.

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There is no greater clash of hypocrisy than when feminists must confront the anti-feminist ideas of Islam.


Have you listened to Trump supporters? :lol:

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