It's year 2 of the Pace/Fox and with injuries and draft choices not making an immediate impact, no playoffs this year and probably not next year. Where is their urgency to get rid of Cutler? We have become a bunch of pussy thinking that Cutler is a QB that can take a team deep into the playoffs and there is nothing better out there....so who do you want to take this franchise to the elite level the fans of Chicago deserve?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

unless this team is 2-14 bad fox/pace get year 3 for sure

I was never a believer in Cutty, I think 80% of Bear fans have come to realize this..this team won't win a SB until Virginia dies and the team is sold. 7-9 this year and the future is bleak.

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I'm not sure that is true. The problem is that you can't have a highly paid older quarterback who is average and expect to win. It just doesn't work in the NFL. There is a reason that the Grossman/Orton years were significantly better than the Cutler era has been.

It makes the whole organization look stupid, and they are for how they have tried every year to fix something that obviously isn't working and won't ever work. The next stupidity seems to be "Cutler is LESS overpaid next year!" even though he almost certainly will start to decline rather than improve.

This is why it was never really about hating Cutler. It was just the realization that they'll never be good with him. If you are a Bears fan you should be rooting for the Bears to move on from him after this year even if you like Cutler. Let him go to a new team and win that Super Bowl he is good enough to win.

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Nobody has ever thought this.

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Emery put this franchise into a nosedive with no power or hydraulics. Bears talent evaluation has been for shit the last decade, and the jury is out on Pace. Fox won't be around past next season IMO, win or lose - he was brought in to get the team back to some level of competency on the field; he's not the final answer.

Sorry, have no idea who the next Theo of the NFL is.

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Not a mult.

It'll take 5 years to undo the damage Emery did, unless the Bears find a QB. Pace has had two drafts and the QB depth chart is Cutler/Hoyer/Fales. That's not good enough, they aren't even making an effort to compete.

You're always just 3 years away in the NFL. That is unless you hitch your wagon to a post 1st contract Cutler/Stafford/Dalton/Bridgewater type.

You'll be comfortably employed but stuck in divisional round exits.

Orton-grossman era had Hester giving the O unbelievable field position and a TD every other game...Lotta talent on Defense too...

What's going to suck is Cutler will be stuck here for 3 or 4 more years with his deescalating in pay..this chump is going to bury us for 10-11 years.

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If you are saying that the Bears will not win the Super Bowl because Cutler is not good enough to carry the Bears or be the primary reason, I agree with this. But if you are saying Cutler's contract is preventing the Bears from being a Super Bowl level team I then have to disagree.

Cutler's contract is not the reason why the Bears have sucked at drafting for the past 6 or 7 years. How many players have the Bears drafted that you really wanted to see the Bears retain when their rookie contracts expired? Put it another way, how many Bear draftees were the Bears not able to keep and you were dissappointed.

Regarding free agency, maybe Cutler's contract prevented the Bears from landing one big time free agent but as we have seen over the years free agency is a crap shoot, you can't build a championship team thru free agency.

Well, it is his contract and it is him that is preventing the Bears from being a Super Bowl level team. If you have an average quarterback the rest of your team has to be really good. If you have a highly paid average quarterback you have to be near perfect.

Also, having Cutler made them go for it every single year to validate the trade and the huge money they've given him. I know it sounds like I'm just bashing on Cutler but the whole thing just hasn't worked. You can look for whatever explanation you want, and plenty have made the argument that it is not Cutler but literally anything else that has caused his whole time to be here to be pretty much worthless outside of him setting qb records based on longevity rather than production.

The worst part is that the Bears continue to pass on young quarterbacks that could be the future because they have Cutler and then they go sign a bum to back him up and then every year it's "Who will be the quarterback if we get rid of Cutler?".

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I would say bad drafting is what has prevented them from being a Super Bowl team, not Cutler's contract.

Name which players the Bears couldn't keep because of cap issues that you were really wanted the Bears to retain?

Are you trying to argue there isn't a lot of things they could have done with an extra $10 million a year?

No answer will be good enough using specific instances especially since it would be speculation on who else they could have gotten or how they built the team. As I said though, being in "Never Rebuild" mode has probably been just as damaging. You could argue that the desperation signings of people like Jared Allen and Lamarr Houston was because of this as was the disaster of a head coaching hire that was Trestman(he worked with Cutler before!). They also fired a bunch of coaches who weren't working well with Cutler. They basically spent years trying to "fix Jay Cutler" and it never worked. Even last year, he wasn't anything but average and the team was still pretty bad.

It sounds like I am blaming Cutler for everything but that isn't really what I'm saying. Sometimes things don't work. It's possible that Cutler would have won a few Super Bowls with the Jets or something but it just hasn't happened here and you have to look at the guy who was here the whole time as a major reason why.

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Its inept from the top down, ownership is ultimately to blame...Floyd over Tunsil is just another huge fuckup.

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Having an extra $10 million a year would not be enough to change a team from average to a Super Bowl contender.
Do you really believe you can build a Super Bowl team thru free agency? That is what you appear to be arguing.

If not, then the question remains, name which players the Bears couldn't keep because of cap issues that you were really wanted the Bears to retain?

enigma in the NFL you can roll over cap space. Unlike the NBA where it's use it or lose it.

Cutler's cap space can be socked away until the time comes to purchase the services of a free agent.

Are you reading what I am saying? It is also his play. It is also the constant attempts to win now because we have an aging quarterback. It is the constant turnover of players, coaches, and gm's to "fix him".
This question does not counteract my point at all. It is a much larger issue than losing players to free agency because we didn't have an extra $10 million to give them.

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So Cutler's contract is not much of a detriment to the Bears cap, is this correct?

I am reading what you are saying but you are all over the place. I have already said that if you are relying on Cutler to be the primary reason in winning a Super Bowl, then it is not going to happen. If you decide to move on from Cutler, then fine.

I am refuting your point that Cutler's contract has prevented the Bears from being a contender. You have yet to to give me an example why Cutler's contract has hindered the Bears. Even if you get rid of Cutler and this team drops to 2 wins, you will still need to draft your way back to contention and so far history has shown that the Bears can't draft. Even under Pace's regime your first round pick from last year hasn't seen the field yet and is considered by many to be a project and your 1st rounder this year is considered a reach.

Does getting rid of Cutler magically make this team better at drafting? Or does the money you save on Cutler give you the ability to build a team thru free agency?

You continue to act like I said it was ONLY his contract and I never said that. The contract did contribute to it but it was more than just that.

I'm not going to justify how an extra $10 million a year wouldn't help a team in a salary cap league. It obviously would. Asking me to come up with all these hypotheticals about what they could have done with that extra money doesn't change the obvious fact that having more money to spend is better than not having that money to spend.

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Your first sentence in this thread

"I'm not sure that is true. The problem is that you can't have a highly paid older quarterback who is average and expect to win. It just doesn't work in the NFL. There is a reason that the Grossman/Orton years were significantly better than the Cutler era has been."

So the contract was important enough that it was your first thought. You then went on to intimate that the fact that Grossman/Orton years were more successful because they were cheaper than Cutler.

You gloss over the fact that the defense carried that team, a defense built on draft picks like Urlacher, Briggs, Harris, Tillman, Mike Brown etc. Other than Urlacher, none of these players were top ten picks, meaning you can still draft fine players even without going 2-14. Drafts that the Bears have not been able to replicate since.

But you believe teams are built thru free agency, I disagree.

Did you miss the "older" and "who is average" part?
With all due respect, you are being intentionally stupid by repeating this over and over again while ignoring many of the other points I made. Free agency is part of it but it also has to do with choosing when is the right time to rebuild, choosing coaches and players in a way that isn't meant to fix one player who is likely unfixable, and having more money to spend.

Things you have completely ignored:
The Bears have had a huge turnover of coaches and even GM's while searching for an answer to solve Cutler.
The Bears have not attempted to rebuild because they were supposed to have a highly paid quarterback in his prime.
They made many moves, both through trades and free agency attempting to "fix Cutler" that didn't translate to a large improvement.
He was one of the highest paid players in the league for a long time and still is. That does matter no matter how much you throw out hypotheticals to try and say it doesn't.
It's never a good thing to have an average quarterback but at least with a younger quarterback you can hope he is developing or at least is good enough to play well enough to provide value equal to his contract.

Now once again pretend my whole argument is that his contract was too much.

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However, we can take it down the route of "bad drafting". That leads us to think that they should not have extended him since they were bad from drafting already and could use the higher picks and the extra money to help the team be bettter. They certainly should have gotten rid of him with the latest future fired GM. They should not have hired Fox. They should have traded away Cutler for any picks they could get or they should have cut him when they could have saved a bunch of money this year as that would give them higher picks with a better chance of success.

So, bad drafting, while not the fault of Cutler, may be the best reason why they shouldn't have had Cutler for as long as they have.

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uhhh, wouldn't it technically be a good thing if you got cutler to play like a ~25mil/franchise/whatever quarterback? why do you have to run him out of town ASAP? i thought he was pretty darn cromulent last year tbh.



well obviously jesus is the #1 choice, but i hear that when he comes back he's going to be busy with raptures antichrists and some kind of holiday at a resort based at a lake of fire, so scratch him from the list. maybe bill belichick? you figure he's gotta be getting pretty tired of winning superbowls with the same ol franchise for ~15+ years now, so maybe he relishes the golden opportunity to go to a team that's the NFL equivalent of a NHL "Original Six" franchise and win a super bowl that MATTERS unlike the, what, 4-5 he's gotten in/around boston? yeah. git-r-done ginny!

one bears superbowl > at least 3-4 superbowls in new england, and there's no doubting that akin to josh collmenter's legitimacy.

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so it's not about hating Cutler but

You blame the turnover of coaches on Cutler (not maybe they were bad coaches).

You blame Cutler on the Bears failure to rebuild (even though you don't have to finish 2-14 to draft well)

Making moves is only to fix Cutler, not necessarily to improve the team in general. Improving weak spots on offense (which was pretty obvious to anyone) isn't just to improve Cutler.

You have no argument, you have provided nothing. It is like talking to a wall.

Of course I do. Some were brought in specifically because of him and others went away specifically because of him. It also should be pointed out that one of his coaches was just hired as a head coach so someone thinks he is pretty good. Cutler was still average at best with him.
Well, it's hard to blame Cutler for that. It is just what happened because he was here. When you have a highly paid quarterback who is in his 30s it leads you to do signings of other older players to try and put together a team to win now.
Well, they didn't really work with either of those things.
It probably felt that way because you missed so much of what I was saying and were stuck on "his contract".

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.[/quote]It probably felt that way because you missed so much of what I was saying and were stuck on "his contract".[/quote]

For all the words used, you said really nothing.

Obviously we are not going to change each others minds.

i too would like to see the Bears move on from Cutler, but major issues will remain.