There's evidence that that's true, at least to some degree. If we're such a "free country", how can we have so many people in prison?

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Of course I am.

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Did he ever say it didn't? He said he was standing up for those without a voice.

Also, this is beside the point. He could be the Mayor of Pleasantville, and there are still good reasons to voice your opinion rather than just moving. It truly is a scary proposition that anyone with a voice and power who ever disliked things would just move. This country would look more like the U.S.S.R.

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If it was simply a practical question, why not accept the answer that leash and I both gave you? That's why I'm taking it as more than just a question, and why a few of us now get the impression that you're essentially just saying love it or leave it.


We agree on that, which is just one more reason I wouldn't move if I were him.

And again, "I don't have pride in my country" is absolutely not synonymous with "I hate my country". You seem to be wanting him to say harsher critiques than the ones he actually said in order for you to have an easier counterargument.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Who said he can't voice his opinion?

The issue here is that he has no pride in this country. So the simple question is if you can do it why not leave?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Eh... I don't think I'm like him, but I do believe the justice system targets those of color more so than whitey.

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I don't know. If it's just a personal question for him you're curious about, I'm not sure why we're debating.

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You still have yet to say WHY that is an issue though. Can you explain that without conflating it for "I hate my country."?

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

They may not be synonymous but they are pretty close.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I did explain it. You can find it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I do, and every one that I can think of involves direct interaction with another member of a society, or a few of them. Standing for a song is only a social custom if not standing is viewed as a personal slight against others, because otherwise there is no societal interaction. We all stand for the anthem, but we don't do it for each other, so for whom or what do we do it?

Then, once that is answered, we can dive into why people feel that protesting by way of engaging in this tradition (differently or not at all) makes someone a "douchebag".

I look forward to the building of the Colin Kaepernick Vocational and Technical Center where the focus is on getting inner city yute skilled training in those underserved careers while also putting his celebrity influence to work pressuring local businesses to hire the ones who complete the program. Then he can build the Kaepernick Police Re-Education Complex focusing on getting problem officers the proper training they need to deal with minorities.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Not at all. Don't go binary on us now Rick!

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Man, you really hate black people and fat women.

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Explain what I don't have pride in my country means then.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Maybe that you're disappointed in the actions of certain people and the government?

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Illegal drugs. The fact that people who use and people who sell drugs go to jail is why so many people are in jail. People who are on drugs also rob and sometimes kill other people because they need money to support their addiction.

In the black community most of the children are born out of wedlock and grow up in homes without fathers. There is a lack of role models. You might also couple that with kids dropping out of school and you have people who don't have an ability to make a decent living.

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

What drives people to take drugs?

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Well, it's a pretty self explanatory sentence. MANY people wouldn't take pride in something they themselves had no hand in. Also, it just means there are numerous issues that he feels strongly enough about that, in his opinion, bring enough shame to the United States that he doesn't take pride in being from here. We judge other countries by the way their government acts. If other countries did the same to us, it's really not a hard feeling to understand. I know that you believe providing a comfortable life for you and your family cancels out all the shameful things in our country past and present, but others may not agree. And it is very un-American to tell those people to go find somewhere better to live.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Sounds pretty close to dislike or hate to me.

And it is not un-American. Where are you getting that?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Initially it's usually their friends or social circle that get them to try stuff. The other thing is that people are trying to escape from their life and looking to drugs to fill a hole in their life.

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

Then wouldn't prejudice, plus a lack of good educational choices and few job opportunities for the uneducated be quite a whole to fill?

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That's because you view the world in binary terms. I don't see an issue with not having pride in one's country, while still liking many facets of that country.


I'm getting that because I have a pretty good understanding of the ideals this country was founded on, and am now questioning if you do. We have a great tradition of dissent, civil disobedience, and social protest in this country(one of the MANY things I like about us!). It is antithetical to the very ideas this country was founded on to tell someone who protests our government's actions to leave the country because they don't love it enough for your taste.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

hole, even

I don't think what FF is explaining is all that complex, but Brick be Brick.

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While it is true that our legal system puts too many people in prison, and the distribution of those too many don't line up with what we would expect given the makeup of society, I think people tend to conflate "inequality" with "active oppression". There is an undeniable inequality in the aggregate result of our legal system tangling with the poor in our society, with minorities representing a disproportionate amount of that sect's makeup, and thus, result. However, when different variables are accounted for, the inequality seems to vanish in criminal sentencing, making the aggregate inequality appear more the result of unfortunate circumstances holding over from years of active oppression, and less like the targeted, active, ongoing mission by the legal system to jail black people some would have you believe.

Whoa whoa whoa, Chief. Some of just like getting high.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Another irony of this "controversy" is that a lot of Trump supporters are telling a rich guy to leave the country because that rich guy is too critical of it.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

The United States government offers free housing, free food, free health care, free schools and even affirmative action and gives preference to minority candidates for colleges. At a certain point there's not much more than can be given to the black community in terms of federal money.

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.