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It's not hard to decipher inoffensive tattoos from offensive ones.


I don't think that's true. That assumes we all find the same things offensive.

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It's not hard to decipher inoffensive tattoos from offensive ones.


I don't think that's true. That assumes we all find the same things offensive.

No, it doesn't. It just means that there is a universal standard to which police officers or soldiers are held, which there already are.

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 Post subject: Re: Nazi Cop
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Anyway, I don't want to turn this into another boring episode of JORR THE Bigot vs. Islam


Not looking good.


:lol: Good morning to you too!


Busy day. I wish I could join the debate. Since I can't, I'll probably just drop in occasionally with some sarcastic and unfunny one-liners until someone tells me to fuck off.


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 Post subject: Re: Nazi Cop
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The question here is not the officer's stupidity.

Of course. The question is his judgment.


In the present case, yes. But in a larger sense, this is about judging a man on his beliefs rather than his actions. The same thing you find bigoted when the belief is something slightly less offensive to most than Nazism. If your argument is that getting the tattoo is the action, then perhaps no officer should be allowed a visible tattoo of any kind. I'd be fine with that.


He actively got a Nazi tattoo. He actively chose to display it while on duty. He doesn't have to be loading people onto a boxcar for people to judge him. His begging people to make that judgment by displaying the tattoo.

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 Post subject: Re: Nazi Cop
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SpiralStairs wrote:
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The question here is not the officer's stupidity.

Of course. The question is his judgment.


In the present case, yes. But in a larger sense, this is about judging a man on his beliefs rather than his actions. The same thing you find bigoted when the belief is something slightly less offensive to most than Nazism. If your argument is that getting the tattoo is the action, then perhaps no officer should be allowed a visible tattoo of any kind. I'd be fine with that.


He actively got a Nazi tattoo. He actively chose to display it while on duty. He doesn't have to be loading people onto a boxcar for people to judge him. His begging people to make that judgment by displaying the tattoo.


It doesn't look like he got it very recently, although it may just be shitty work. Has the tattoo had an effect on his work product?

Anyway, you can twist it any way you want, but you want to punish the guy not simply for a belief, but for a possible belief. And I don't even have any issue with that, but in other instances you bend over backwards to excuse others for their potentially awful beliefs under the cover of "religion".

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FavreFan wrote:
It's not hard to decipher inoffensive tattoos from offensive ones.


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Offensive or no?

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Do these tattoos get the cop fired?


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 Post subject: Re: Nazi Cop
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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It's not hard to decipher inoffensive tattoos from offensive ones.


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Do these tattoos get the cop fired?

A quick Google search would say they are not offensive(1st one supposedly says Seize the Day, 2nd one says You are beautiful), but I believe police departments and the US government would have more effective translators than Google.

As I already said, this is a standard that the US military already upholds, without much trouble(although their policy on tattoos evolves yearly). It's not really controversial.

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 Post subject: Re: Nazi Cop
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As I already said, this is a standard that the US military already upholds, without much trouble(although their policy on tattoos evolves yearly). It's not really controversial.


Is the policy strictly enforced?

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FavreFan wrote:
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It's not hard to decipher inoffensive tattoos from offensive ones.


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Offensive or no?

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Do these tattoos get the cop fired?

A quick Google search would say they are not offensive(1st one supposedly says Seize the Day, 2nd one says You are beautiful), but I believe police departments and the US government would have more effective translators than Google.

As I already said, this is a standard that the US military already upholds, without much trouble(although their policy on tattoos evolves yearly). It's not really controversial.


The first (ostensibly, I trusted Google as well) says "Kill Jews" and the second says "I love Sharia". The first is rather obvious, but the second is the "get": Is it a fireable offense to proclaim your love of a hybrid ideological/religious doctrine which preaches the beating of wives and killing of infidels? (what's really interesting is when the second phrase was fed through a translator into English, it read "I love the law" Neato!)


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 Post subject: Re: Nazi Cop
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"Seize the day" and "Kill Jews" are the same thing in some parts of the world.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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As I already said, this is a standard that the US military already upholds, without much trouble(although their policy on tattoos evolves yearly). It's not really controversial.


Is the policy strictly enforced?

As far as I know. It was on Ft Polk from 2009-2011. That's all I can really say for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Nazi Cop
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"Seize the day" and "Kill Jews" are the same thing in some parts of the world.

:lol:

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FavreFan wrote:
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As I already said, this is a standard that the US military already upholds, without much trouble(although their policy on tattoos evolves yearly). It's not really controversial.


Is the policy strictly enforced?

As far as I know. It was on Ft Polk from 2009-2011. That's all I can really say for sure.


Cool. I didn't know if it was more of a suggestion rather than a rigid rule.

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It's hard to tell who is on what side in this debate but does anyone truly disagree that a person who is a Nazi who is so proud of it that he is willing to advertise it while performing his police duties should not be allowed to do those duties?

I mean, if he was just one of those people who is only a Nazi on holidays and weddings then it may be different but this guy was pretty bold with it.

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"Seize the day" and "Kill Jews" are the same thing in some parts of the world.


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It's hard to tell who is on what side in this debate but does anyone truly disagree that a person who is a Nazi who is so proud of it that he is willing to advertise it while performing his police duties should not be allowed to do those duties?

I mean, if he was just one of those people who is only a Nazi on holidays and weddings then it may be different but this guy was pretty bold with it.

I think it's clear JLN disagrees. JORR initially agreed with us but seemed to backtrack when I didn't agree Muslims were as bad as Nazis.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's hard to tell who is on what side in this debate but does anyone truly disagree that a person who is a Nazi who is so proud of it that he is willing to advertise it while performing his police duties should not be allowed to do those duties?

I mean, if he was just one of those people who is only a Nazi on holidays and weddings then it may be different but this guy was pretty bold with it.

I think it's clear JLN disagrees. JORR initially agreed with us but seemed to backtrack when I didn't agree Muslims were as bad as Nazis.
I'm starting to think that JLN may be a lawyer that specializes in defending any oppressed white man.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's hard to tell who is on what side in this debate but does anyone truly disagree that a person who is a Nazi who is so proud of it that he is willing to advertise it while performing his police duties should not be allowed to do those duties?

I mean, if he was just one of those people who is only a Nazi on holidays and weddings then it may be different but this guy was pretty bold with it.

I think it's clear JLN disagrees. JORR initially agreed with us but seemed to backtrack when I didn't agree Muslims were as bad as Nazis.


Remember, I'm the guy that suggested transferring him off the street, and to my knowledge I'm the only one to suggest such a thing.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's hard to tell who is on what side in this debate but does anyone truly disagree that a person who is a Nazi who is so proud of it that he is willing to advertise it while performing his police duties should not be allowed to do those duties?

I mean, if he was just one of those people who is only a Nazi on holidays and weddings then it may be different but this guy was pretty bold with it.

I think it's clear JLN disagrees. JORR initially agreed with us but seemed to backtrack when I didn't agree Muslims were as bad as Nazis.


:lol: I don't want Nazi cops, but I do understand JLN's point. And if he didn't have the tattoo would he be less of a Nazi?

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Remember, I'm the guy that suggested transferring him off the street, and to my knowledge I'm the only one to suggest such a thing.
Why would you transfer him off the street?

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:lol: I don't want Nazi cops, but I do understand JLN's point. And if he didn't have the tattoo would he be less of a Nazi?

Actually yes he would.

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:lol: I don't want Nazi cops, but I do understand JLN's point. And if he didn't have the tattoo would he be less of a Nazi?

Actually yes he would.


Really?

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I think it's clear JLN disagrees. JORR initially agreed with us but seemed to backtrack when I didn't agree Muslims were as bad as Nazis.


JORR doesn't want those uppity islamz moving up the ranks and making atheists the most-hated religion-based group in the oos ess and eh:

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:lol: I don't want Nazi cops, but I do understand JLN's point. And if he didn't have the tattoo would he be less of a Nazi?

Actually yes he would.


Really?
Yes. A guy with Nazi tattoos is more of a Nazi than a guy without Nazi tattoos. I assume you can be a Nazi without tattoos but having Nazi tattoos certainly helps you be a Nazi.

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Atheists aren't a "religious-based" group. We are hated though.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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:lol: I don't want Nazi cops, but I do understand JLN's point. And if he didn't have the tattoo would he be less of a Nazi?

Actually yes he would.


Really?
Yes. A guy with Nazi tattoos is more of a Nazi than a guy without Nazi tattoos. I assume you can be a Nazi without tattoos but having Nazi tattoos certainly helps you be a Nazi.


I disagree that having tattoos "helps you be a Nazi". It simply advertises what you are. If he gets that thing erased, he's still a Nazi, but now without a tattoo. He didn't become a better person.

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I disagree that having tattoos "helps you be a Nazi". It simply advertises what you are. If he gets that thing erased, he's still a Nazi, but now without a tattoo. He didn't become a better person.
A Nazi without tattoos is like a football fan who doesn't attend games.

No effort Nazi.

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Yes. We would all be atheists.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I disagree that having tattoos "helps you be a Nazi". It simply advertises what you are. If he gets that thing erased, he's still a Nazi, but now without a tattoo. He didn't become a better person.
A Nazi without tattoos is like a football fan who doesn't attend games.

No effort Nazi.


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