You can not like someone and still admit to them doing well when it's appropriate. I can't stand Aaron Rodgers and hope he chokes to death on his bf's dick, but he's still a great QB.

Cutler looked ok -not great or anything- in the 1st half. He looked shell shocked in the 2nd half and played pretty terrible imo.

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Cutler was horrible. What fucking game were some of you watching? Mother fuck.

Jay Cutler: the man who has been let down by his coach, coordinators, line, runningbacks, and receivers in every game since 2009.

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Football Quintana, except at least Quintana still has dumbass fans who defend him.

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Best QB in Bears history.

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no offense to our esteemed colleague but that is truly being the tallest midget.

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True, but I'd say there are 12 QB's playing right now that would be the greatest in Bears history if given the same playing time.
Rogers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Brady, Rivers, Romo, Luck, Wilson, Newton, Palmer, Eli, Stafford.

I don't know, the only guys on that list that I think would have made significant difference are Rogers, Roethlisberger and Brady. I think they at least make it to the Superbowl that year that Jay lost to GB at home with one of those three guys.

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Yet also somehow one of the worst. Schrodinger's QB.

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Do those 3 play in the second half with an MCL sprain?

My point was more at any given time, 1/3 the NFL would be the greatest in bears history.

Yeah, it was a low bar to pass to become the greatest in Bears history. I just don't know who does appreciably better. I mean, do Rivers, Stafford or Palmer get you anything more than what Cutler has?

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McMahon > Cutler. Unless losing is your thing

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Stafford is similar to Cutler in that he is mistake-prone and just always seems to come up short. He puts up way more numbers, though.

Rivers and Palmer (in his prime)? Absolutely. I'm not saying they win a SB, but you have a real good shot when their defense was still very good.

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Yes, and by a significant margin.

A lot of people thought that Stafford was a function of playing with Calvin Johnson but Stafford probably dispels that this year.

Rivers is a potential hall of famer.

Palmer has been a "bust" that has far outperformed Cutler too.

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Palmer has been oft-injured, but there were a couple years where Cincinnati lit it up.

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Stafford is just as shitty with Cutler, but has the weird sidearm motion instead of the "gunslinger" bs from Cutler but they both aren't winning you anything. Rivers and Palmer are both demonstrably better QB's than those other two jamokes.

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Stafford is demonstrably better than Cutler as well.

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Cutler sucks. Stafford sucks also. I don't want to debate the relative merits of their general sucktitude, but they are both higher than you need to be a good QB of a competent team in the NFL

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Jay Cutler has never had as close to a year as Stafford had in 2015, and that wasn't even Stafford's best year.

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I'm not comparing Cutler to Rivers as in who is better. I agree that Rivers is better, I just don't know what more you get. A couple of first round wild card playoff exits? Does that move the needle for you? A shitty draft pick and false hope. We had that with Orton and Grossman. I think it takes one of the generational talents at QB or a very well run organization. The bears don't have either and don't look to in the future either.

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The Bears were good but not great before Cutler. I'd say adding Rivers over Cutler would have let them be good.

I think you just really underestimate just how much it hurts to have a quarterback paid at or near the top of the league with league average results.

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Maybe. I just think even if Cutler played up to the level of a Rivers/Palmer/Stafford it wouldn't have made much of a difference overall. I don't know if Elway/Marino/Montana would have made a difference for the Bears under Emery/Trestman.

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Brian Hoyer is the way!

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He played for Lovie longer, and they had good defenses those years. They might have done more with a guy like Rivers. I think they probably would have beaten GB in the NFC Championship.

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I always thought the error with cutler was building an offense around him. His game doesn't lead to major improvements with better personal. You put him on a dominant defense that doesn't care about a short field and turnovers. I would have liked to have seen him during the Rex years.

I agree with that. They would have probably made that superbowl and gotten wang whipped by Pittsburgh.

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I think if Todd Collins was not on the roster, they beat GB.

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Wasn't that Caleb Hanie that came in and threw the BJ Raji pick 6?

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He did, but they wasted 6 plays with Collins. You hold GB to 21 points at home, and you'd better win.

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