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I think he is well past the "go deeper in games" criticism as he approaches 200 innings for the fourth straight year.

The guy is a great pitcher, no borderline to it.


He doesn't miss starts but he also doesn't finish games either. I don't think he has a CG this year. He's only lost 29% of his career starts but he also has 59 no decisions for his career. I think going deeper and finishing games would improve his numbers.

If your name isn't Kershaw, at best you get maybe 2 CG per year.

CG is overrated to me. There is no reason to finish off a 5-0 game if you have a solid bullpen...save those bullets. Maybe not for this year's postseason in the case of Quintana...but for years when it matters.


I just think he can be better than a 6 2/3 a game pitcher.

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You don't know that you aren't going navigate away from the topic, do you?

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If your name isn't Kershaw, at best you get maybe 2 CG per year.
Chris Sale has 5 so far this year.

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If your name isn't Kershaw, at best you get maybe 2 CG per year.
Chris Sale has 5 so far this year.

I was being somewhat hyperbolic. And you know how highly I think of Chris Sale.

I'm just saying this isn't 1962.

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If your name isn't Kershaw, at best you get maybe 2 CG per year.
Chris Sale has 5 so far this year.


Chris Sale doesn't leave MANY games when he's winning 4-0. He knows Jones and Robertson are likely to turn them into no decisions.

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Chris Sale doesn't leave MANY games when he's winning 4-0.
:lol: Neither does Quintana

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Chris Sale doesn't leave MANY games when he's winning 4-0.
:lol: Neither does Quintana


That's true. It's usually 1-0 or 2-1.

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I'm just saying this isn't 1962.

That depends on whom you're arguing with.

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I'm just saying this isn't 1962.

That depends on whom you're arguing with.


Agreed. A lot of the hidebound dinosaurs who post here have no clue what PWARP is.

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About this time next year JORR will say 15 games over .500 is just decent.

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About this time next year JORR will say 15 games over .500 is just decent.


Why would I say that? Have I ever said anything like that? Quintana's record is better than his teams'. I've never said he was a bad pitcher. But he certainly isn't "great". And I would bet a lot of money that Quintana isn't 15 games over .500 next year anyway.

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About this time next year JORR will say 15 games over .500 is just decent.


Why would I say that? Have I ever said anything like that? Quintana's record is better than his teams'. I've never said he was a bad pitcher. But he certainly isn't "great". And I would bet a lot of money that Quintana isn't 15 games over .500 next year anyway.


What about 8 to 10 games? What type of odds would I get for that?

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About this time next year JORR will say 15 games over .500 is just decent.


Why would I say that? Have I ever said anything like that? Quintana's record is better than his teams'. I've never said he was a bad pitcher. But he certainly isn't "great". And I would bet a lot of money that Quintana isn't 15 games over .500 next year anyway.


What about 8 to 10 games? What type of odds would I get for that?


You want odds that a guy you call great might go 15-7 in a single season? That shows how great you actually think he is.

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I bet JORR thinks Clayton Kershaw would go 19-4 on a team with 24 college baseball players.

"Because the great ones win no matter what."

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About this time next year JORR will say 15 games over .500 is just decent.


Why would I say that? Have I ever said anything like that? Quintana's record is better than his teams'. I've never said he was a bad pitcher. But he certainly isn't "great". And I would bet a lot of money that Quintana isn't 15 games over .500 next year anyway.


What about 8 to 10 games? What type of odds would I get for that?


You want odds that a guy you call great might go 15-7 in a single season? That shows how great you actually think he is.


He plays for the Sox. He's never won 15 games in his career. You've called him "Losing Pitcher" Quintana so you should feel like this is a One Post like wager for you.

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He plays for the Sox. He's never won 15 games in his career. You've called him "Losing Pitcher" Quintana so you should feel like this is a One Post like wager for you.


"Losing Pitcher" is John Danks' nickname. I've called Quintana "The Great" Jose Quintana because he is the only "great" starting pitcher in history who has never had a 15 win season. The Sox are a middle of the road team. If Quintana ever won 15 games they'd be a good team. We have an example of an actual great pitcher who has pitched on the same teams and has a .600 winning percentage.

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He plays for the Sox. He's never won 15 games in his career. You've called him "Losing Pitcher" Quintana so you should feel like this is a One Post like wager for you.


"Losing Pitcher" is John Danks' nickname. I've called Quintana "The Great" Jose Quintana because he is the only "great" starting pitcher in history who has never had a 15 win season. The Sox are a middle of the road team. If Quintana ever won 15 games they'd be a good team. We have an example of an actual great pitcher who has pitched on the same teams and has a .600 winning percentage.

You called Jose Quintana a losing pitcher in three or four consecutive posts on June 1st, 2016 in the "Quintana" thread.

At least one had the consecutive words "losing pitcher Quintana."

And you'll try to consider this post ad hominem as well, I'm sure. Though to be fair, when 100% of your baseball thoughts are utter shit...I guess you have to address the root.

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He plays for the Sox. He's never won 15 games in his career. You've called him "Losing Pitcher" Quintana so you should feel like this is a One Post like wager for you.


"Losing Pitcher" is John Danks' nickname. I've called Quintana "The Great" Jose Quintana because he is the only "great" starting pitcher in history who has never had a 15 win season. The Sox are a middle of the road team. If Quintana ever won 15 games they'd be a good team. We have an example of an actual great pitcher who has pitched on the same teams and has a .600 winning percentage.

You called Jose Quintana a losing pitcher in three or four consecutive posts on June 1st, 2016 in the "Quintana" thread.

At least one had the consecutive words "losing pitcher Quintana."

And you'll try to consider this post ad hominem as well, I'm sure. Though to be fair, when 100% of your baseball thoughts are utter shit...I guess you have to address the root.

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And Jose Quintana was a losing pitcher when I made that statement, but I never referred to him as "Losing Pitcher" Jose Quintana. Your big bro doesn't really need your help here. He's doing fine by himself.

And you really don't know shit about anything so all you can do is resort to insults.

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You think everyone argues with you due to mob mentality?

Yeah, that's it. :roll:

CFMB ... where "losing pitcher Quintana" and "Losing Pitcher Jose Quintana" is not considered semantics.

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You think everyone argues with you due to mob mentality?

Yeah, that's it. :roll:

CFMB ... where "losing pitcher Quintana" and "Losing Pitcher Jose Quintana" is not considered semantics.


There you go again with argumentum ad populum. Do you think I care how many people who don't know shit are arguing with me? :lol:

One is a nickname I gave a guy. The other is just stating a fact.

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I mean...the kind that has perceived value but no one is actually willing to put up the cash to put it on display.

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I mean...the kind that has perceived value but no one is actually willing to put up the cash to put it on display.



Okay, is the the way you want to interact? Because most people here understand that you're a mouthy punk who doesn't know much.

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He plays for the Sox. He's never won 15 games in his career. You've called him "Losing Pitcher" Quintana so you should feel like this is a One Post like wager for you.


"Losing Pitcher" is John Danks' nickname. I've called Quintana "The Great" Jose Quintana because he is the only "great" starting pitcher in history who has never had a 15 win season. The Sox are a middle of the road team. If Quintana ever won 15 games they'd be a good team. We have an example of an actual great pitcher who has pitched on the same teams and has a .600 winning percentage.


What type of odds do I get? I'm sure we can figure something out that makes sense for both of us. I'm thinking 9 to 1 odds that he finishes next year 8 games over .500 for his career. Considering how mediocre he's been I'm taking a huge leap of faith to take odds like that. I'm willing to risk $200.

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Yeah, that's it. :roll:

CFMB ... where "losing pitcher Quintana" and "Losing Pitcher Jose Quintana" is not considered semantics.


There you go again with argumentum ad populum. Do you think I care how many people who don't know shit are arguing with me? :lol:

One is a nickname I gave a guy. The other is just stating a fact.

I prefer "The Great Quintana." That's the one I've been using on face-to-face conversations...

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He plays for the Sox. He's never won 15 games in his career. You've called him "Losing Pitcher" Quintana so you should feel like this is a One Post like wager for you.


"Losing Pitcher" is John Danks' nickname. I've called Quintana "The Great" Jose Quintana because he is the only "great" starting pitcher in history who has never had a 15 win season. The Sox are a middle of the road team. If Quintana ever won 15 games they'd be a good team. We have an example of an actual great pitcher who has pitched on the same teams and has a .600 winning percentage.


What type of odds do I get? I'm sure we can figure something out that makes sense for both of us. I'm thinking 9 to 1 odds that he finishes next year 8 games over .500 for his career. Considering how mediocre he's been I'm taking a huge leap of faith to take odds like that. I'm willing to risk $200.



Don't be ridiculous. If he pitches 16 years that's a half a game over .500 for each season. He's quite capable of achieving such a thing, though it hardly qualifies him as "great".

You're the guy saying he is great. Maybe you should be laying the odds.

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He plays for the Sox. He's never won 15 games in his career. You've called him "Losing Pitcher" Quintana so you should feel like this is a One Post like wager for you.


"Losing Pitcher" is John Danks' nickname. I've called Quintana "The Great" Jose Quintana because he is the only "great" starting pitcher in history who has never had a 15 win season. The Sox are a middle of the road team. If Quintana ever won 15 games they'd be a good team. We have an example of an actual great pitcher who has pitched on the same teams and has a .600 winning percentage.


What type of odds do I get? I'm sure we can figure something out that makes sense for both of us. I'm thinking 9 to 1 odds that he finishes next year 8 games over .500 for his career. Considering how mediocre he's been I'm taking a huge leap of faith to take odds like that. I'm willing to risk $200.



Don't be ridiculous. If he pitches 16 years that's a half a game over .500 for each season. He's quite capable of achieving such a thing, though it hardly qualifies him as "great".

You're the guy saying he is great. Maybe you should be laying the odds.


Sorry, I misread what you wrote. Eight over after next year? He's probably capable of that too, but it doesn't make him great either. How about this- we bet $100 on an O/U of 5 games above .500 for next year and I'll take the under. If he's exactly five over it's a push.

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He plays for the Sox. He's never won 15 games in his career. You've called him "Losing Pitcher" Quintana so you should feel like this is a One Post like wager for you.


"Losing Pitcher" is John Danks' nickname. I've called Quintana "The Great" Jose Quintana because he is the only "great" starting pitcher in history who has never had a 15 win season. The Sox are a middle of the road team. If Quintana ever won 15 games they'd be a good team. We have an example of an actual great pitcher who has pitched on the same teams and has a .600 winning percentage.


What type of odds do I get? I'm sure we can figure something out that makes sense for both of us. I'm thinking 9 to 1 odds that he finishes next year 8 games over .500 for his career. Considering how mediocre he's been I'm taking a huge leap of faith to take odds like that. I'm willing to risk $200.



Don't be ridiculous. If he pitches 16 years that's a half a game over .500 for each season. He's quite capable of achieving such a thing, though it hardly qualifies him as "great".

You're the guy saying he is great. Maybe you should be laying the odds.


Sorry, I misread what you wrote. Eight over after next year? He's probably capable of that too, but it doesn't make him great either. How about this- we bet $100 on an O/U of 5 games above .500 for next year and I'll take the under. If he's exactly five over it's a push.


You have a deal at 4 games over .500 for his career at the end of next season.

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He plays for the Sox. He's never won 15 games in his career. You've called him "Losing Pitcher" Quintana so you should feel like this is a One Post like wager for you.


"Losing Pitcher" is John Danks' nickname. I've called Quintana "The Great" Jose Quintana because he is the only "great" starting pitcher in history who has never had a 15 win season. The Sox are a middle of the road team. If Quintana ever won 15 games they'd be a good team. We have an example of an actual great pitcher who has pitched on the same teams and has a .600 winning percentage.


What type of odds do I get? I'm sure we can figure something out that makes sense for both of us. I'm thinking 9 to 1 odds that he finishes next year 8 games over .500 for his career. Considering how mediocre he's been I'm taking a huge leap of faith to take odds like that. I'm willing to risk $200.



Don't be ridiculous. If he pitches 16 years that's a half a game over .500 for each season. He's quite capable of achieving such a thing, though it hardly qualifies him as "great".

You're the guy saying he is great. Maybe you should be laying the odds.


Sorry, I misread what you wrote. Eight over after next year? He's probably capable of that too, but it doesn't make him great either. How about this- we bet $100 on an O/U of 5 games above .500 for next year and I'll take the under. If he's exactly five over it's a push.


You have a deal at 4 games over .500 for his career at the end of next season.


I'll go 5 over for his career or 4 over for next season, your choice.

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