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Wow. You gotta look at your stud wide out in that situation.


you gotta look at your kicker for losing the game for you

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Cutler has what it takes!!!

Whatever he's got, it's probably because he wouldn't get inoculated against it.

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Cutler just wouldn't be making these throws. Cutty has more arm talent than Hoyer, no argument, but Cutty just doesn't make solid decisions after the snap like this.





I don't even think he has more "arm talent" Cutty deep ball sucks, his pocket presence blows and his leadership is garbage.




Pocket presence and leadership have nothing to do with arm talent. Cutler can make throws because of his pure arm strength that I doubt Hoyer could even dream of. I'm not sitting here arguing Cutler is a better QB at this point -my point is that right now I think Hoyer is better- but I wouldn't argue that Hoyer has s better arm just because Cutler has no touch on his deep pass.

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Wow. You gotta look at your stud wide out in that situation.


you gotta look at your kicker for losing the game for you





You gotta look at penalties killing you deep in drives if we're going that far. Barth sucks, no argument, but put the game on your playmaker when it comes down to it. Looks to me like Hoyer pulled a Cutler on that last play and locked on to a guy and threw a pass into traffic.

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Hoyer should continue to start until he gets hurt.

Let him play.

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This was a good effort. A lot of fight in a very bad Bears squad. If they can keep losing and fighting we'll be in great position next year to take a big step forward.

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Hoyer should continue to start until he gets hurt.

Let him play.





Agreed. Let Cutler walk, draft a QB early in the draft this coming year and keep Hoyer as your starter while the rookie learns (if need be). Id be ok with that. There's no point in keeping Cutler around if you're going to draft an early round QB imo anyway.

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Hoyer should continue to start until he gets hurt.

Let him play.





Agreed. Let Cutler walk, draft a QB early in the draft this coming year and keep Hoyer as your starter while the rookie learns (if need be). Id be ok with that. There's no point in keeping Cutler around if you're going to draft an early round QB imo anyway.

Exactly, except I'd still play Cutler to ensure a high draft pick.

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Hoyer didn't lose you the game. I'm skeptical Cutler would even have had the Bears in that position.


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This game made me ill.

O'b is right about the lack of the blitz. With 3 rushing linemen,you can mix in all kinds of blitzes. The penalties were murder,too.

Hoyer is the man,I never seen Cutler this effective in 8 seasons.

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Jbi11s wrote:
NME wrote:
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Hoyer should continue to start until he gets hurt.

Let him play.



I agree. Cutler insures a higher draft pick.



Agreed. Let Cutler walk, draft a QB early in the draft this coming year and keep Hoyer as your starter while the rookie learns (if need be). Id be ok with that. There's no point in keeping Cutler around if you're going to draft an early round QB imo anyway.

Exactly, except I'd still play Cutler to ensure a high draft pick.


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Jbi11s wrote:
NME wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Hoyer should continue to start until he gets hurt.

Let him play.





Agreed. Let Cutler walk, draft a QB early in the draft this coming year and keep Hoyer as your starter while the rookie learns (if need be). Id be ok with that. There's no point in keeping Cutler around if you're going to draft an early round QB imo anyway.

Exactly, except I'd still play Cutler to ensure a high draft pick.





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Fair point.

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Jbi11s wrote:
NME wrote:
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Hoyer should continue to start until he gets hurt.

Let him play.






Agreed. Let Cutler walk, draft a QB early in the draft this coming year and keep Hoyer as your starter while the rookie learns (if need be). Id be ok with that. There's no point in keeping Cutler around if you're going to draft an early round QB imo anyway.

Exactly, except I'd still play Cutler to ensure a high draft pick.


I agree. Cutler ensures a higher draft pick.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears v. Colts
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Hoyer didn't lose you the game. I'm skeptical Cutler would even have had the Bears in that position.




Nah, Cutler doesn't help the Bears offense run like this. No way in hell.

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NME wrote:
Wow. You gotta look at your stud wide out in that situation.


you gotta look at your kicker for losing the game for you




Agreed...they should have been tied n driving down for an easy 3 point win...Barth blows, but Gould sucked too. There's gotta be a better option available.

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NME wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Hoyer should continue to start until he gets hurt.

Let him play.





Agreed. Let Cutler walk, draft a QB early in the draft this coming year and keep Hoyer as your starter while the rookie learns (if need be). Id be ok with that. There's no point in keeping Cutler around if you're going to draft an early round QB imo anyway.

Exactly, except I'd still play Cutler to ensure a high draft pick.





Why? To grab another Kevin White or Leonard Floyd?

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Cutler just wouldn't be making these throws. Cutty has more arm talent than Hoyer, no argument, but Cutty just doesn't make solid decisions after the snap like this.





I don't even think he has more "arm talent" Cutty deep ball sucks, his pocket presence blows and his leadership is garbage.




Pocket presence and leadership have nothing to do with arm talent. Cutler can make throws because of his pure arm strength that I doubt Hoyer could even dream of. I'm not sitting here arguing Cutler is a better QB at this point -my point is that right now I think Hoyer is better- but I wouldn't argue that Hoyer has s better arm just because Cutler has no touch on his deep pass.




Hoyer can hit guys in stride, Cutty can't...he can throw dump off passes in the flat, Wide out screens and jump balls. He can throw the ball hard, so what? It goes to the other team or off the mark.

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The alltime quote on the SCORE when Cutler showed up to his 1st Bears camp:

Terry Boers: "His balls whistle"


I don't care if his balls can sing "Imagine",8 years of poor QB'ing for the most part.

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312player wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
NME wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Hoyer should continue to start until he gets hurt.

Let him play.





Agreed. Let Cutler walk, draft a QB early in the draft this coming year and keep Hoyer as your starter while the rookie learns (if need be). Id be ok with that. There's no point in keeping Cutler around if you're going to draft an early round QB imo anyway.

Exactly, except I'd still play Cutler to ensure a high draft pick.





Why? To grab another Kevin White or Leonard Floyd?


So keep playing Hoyer!


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312player wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
NME wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Hoyer should continue to start until he gets hurt.

Let him play.





Agreed. Let Cutler walk, draft a QB early in the draft this coming year and keep Hoyer as your starter while the rookie learns (if need be). Id be ok with that. There's no point in keeping Cutler around if you're going to draft an early round QB imo anyway.

Exactly, except I'd still play Cutler to ensure a high draft pick.





Why? To grab another Kevin White or Leonard Floyd?


Where does Hoyer get this Bears team? 6-10? 7-9? There is no way the Bears are finishing ahead of GB or Minny. I honestly don't know what you want as a fan. At least with a top 3 pick there is hope, and there is less of a chance for the front office to over think the pick.

There seems to be a handful of posters who do not understand the value of a top 3 pick.

I love all of you, but please see the light. Think macro not micro.

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Where does Hoyer get this team? He gets em watchable...I can't watch anymore games with Jay, if they draft 5 or 14th..they still will fuck it up.

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Where does Hoyer get this team? He gets em watchable...I can't watch anymore games with Jay, if they draft 5 or 14th..they still will fuck it up.

That's all you need as a fan? Fuck being a playoff caliber team every year? Who needs homegrown depth?

Hoyer lit up two horrendous defenses the last 2 weeks. Do you understand what the Viking defense is going to do to him on Halloween?

If Jay Cutler is triggering you like that I think it's time to find a new hobby. The guy won't be here next year. Isn't that enough?

You don't know if the Bears will fuck up a top 3 pick because they haven't had one since 1972!!!

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This team ain't winning shit til that old Caller Bob dies n her brood of inept clowns sell the team.

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You don't know if the Bears will fuck up a top 3 pick because they haven't had one since 1972!!!

They drafted 4th in '05 and fucked that up.

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You don't know if the Bears will fuck up a top 3 pick because they haven't had one since 1972!!!

They drafted 4th in '05 and fucked that up.


Do you trust Gaze again for this next draft? That's the big question.

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[quote="Curious Hair"][quote="Jbi11s"]You don't know if the Bears will fuck up a top 3 pick because they haven't had one since 1972!!![/quote]
They drafted 4th in '05 and fucked that up.[/quote]




Took Benson @ 4th overall instead of say


Aaron Rodgers @_24
Roddy White @ 26
Logan Mankind @ 32


U don't need to draft in the top 3 or top 5 to grab talent, you just need to know wtf you are doing and hire capable people.

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I'm well aware of that.

If they don't draft a QB with one of their first 2 picks next year (preferably first) I'll be as dismissive and angry as a lot of fans are now.

Just so everyone knows, Pace's 2016 draft class was graded pretty fucking high throughout the analyst circles....

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2016/5/4/11590270/nfl-draft-grades-chicago-bears-are-the-salutatorians-2016-class

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You don't know if the Bears will fuck up a top 3 pick because they haven't had one since 1972!!!

They drafted 4th in '05 and fucked that up.





Took Benson @ 4th overall instead of say


Aaron Rodgers @_24
Roddy White @ 26
Logan Mankind @ 32


U don't need to draft in the top 3 or top 5 to grab talent, you just need to know wtf you are doing and hire capable people.


Yes silly, you are right. Usually tho, the best QB is off the board by the middle of round 1.

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By Dan Bernstein–
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(CBS) — It would almost be more palatable for the Bears to be manifestly bad, so overmatched as to not raise hopes. As it is, they only succeed in sustaining the possibility of possibilities until the clock runs out yet again.

On Sunday, the battle of 1-3 teams was won by the homestanding Colts, 29-23, turning several Bears headlines into footnotes of their latest loss. Some sparkling individual performances still stand on their own for what they are, but the context reduces them from celebrated to acknowledged.

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Jordan Howard is a bell-cow NFL running back until proven otherwise. His 16 carries for 118 yards made him the first Bears rookie with 100-yard games in his first two starts, and he caught three passes for 45 yards and a touchdown. The 57-yard run he ripped off in the first half was the longest for the team since Matt Forte’s 68-yarder in 2010. He continues to show patience behind blocks, the ability to turn small spaces into larger ones and add yards even when there appears to be nowhere to go.

For all the consternation surrounding receiver Kevin White’s latest major injury, Cameron Meredith rose to the opportunity by catching nine passes for 130 yards and a score. He was quick in and out of his breaks, nimble on the sideline and aware in space against zones. His fourth-quarter fumble detracted from an otherwise stellar day.

Bryce Callahan was noticeable in coverage and as a tackler until a hamstring injury slowed him up and put him out. Willie Young’s three-sack day illustrated why the Bears felt him worthy of a new contract before the season, the veteran inside linebackers continued their responsible fits against the run and offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains again called a string of well-executed plays in sensible sequence, particularly during a 96-yard drive that was the franchise’s longest in over seven years.

On the bad side of the ledger is Connor Barth. That’s enough of that, already, and I’d expect the Kicker Karavan of Komedy to make a stop at Halas Hall on Tuesday for some kind of open tryout. Nobody may perform well enough to unseat Barth, but a good look is required. And somebody will sit down with Cre’von LeBlanc and explain how and when to catch the ball and when to let it bounce. Also, tight end Logan Paulsen seems to be awful at everything.

On to the quarterback and Brian Hoyer’s personal-best day of 33-of-43 passing for 397 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions. He was both in control and under control, making mostly accurate throws while solidly protected. This was a defense ripe to be shredded, and he did so. Judging from Jay Glazer’s report on FOX before the game, this is Hoyer’s job to lose regardless of Jay Cutler’s availability. Glazer “is John Fox’s designated media buddy,” as 670 The Score’s football expert Hub Arkush noted via Twitter,

But it’s not really controversial, in the usual sense. The quarterback of this 1-4 team just isn’t significant, as Hoyer will be a free agent after this season, Cutler’s deal is now easy to terminate without much penalty, and neither is likely to be here if and when the Bears are actually contending. It’s mostly the noise that remains from too many years of tribal entrenchment over Cutler and whomever the latest is to be cast in the role of Not Cutler. Whatever Fox’s call, fine.

Hoyer has proved capable of racking up yards and making some nice throws, but he was unable to drive them all the way down the field to victory and failed to see an open Alshon Jeffery on the deciding play.

That might make him the perfect fit for a team that right now is only good at being not good enough.

Dan Bernstein is a co-host of 670 The Score’s “Boers and Bernstein Show” in afternoon drive. You can follow him on Twitter @dan_bernstein and read more of his columns here

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