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Did Bernstein just say he thinks he's going to get made into someone's lampshade?
C'mon man.


That's pretty thin-skinned.

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Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


Didn't he graduate from Wharton? I don't know what that's worth, but it's pretty silly to call him uneducated. You can point out instances of all kinds of politicians including recent presidents stomping all over the Constitution. It rings a little hollow when the focus is on Trump who hasn't even taken office yet.

With regard to Abedin (and so many other matters of a political nature), you can shop the Internet for your information. The truth is, we don't know, but there are definitely some things that should be of more concern to Jews re: her and Hillary than there is with Trump. The idea that Trump is "coming for Jews" is absolutely baseless.

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He's seriously more worried about Trump than he is about Saudi Hillary and Huma Abedin??? :lol: :lol:

He's ridiculous, but it's probably more ridiculous to suggest anyone should be afraid of Huma Abedin.


Couldn't agree more with all of this.

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Darkside wrote:
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Did Bernstein just say he thinks he's going to get made into someone's lampshade?
C'mon man.

:lol: :lol:

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I'm sure about that. There's no reason to be afraid of all Muslims.


That sounds very nice, but the unknown factor about Muslims should scare everyone. No one knows who the terrorists are until they show up shooting people or setting off bombs. Most of the time there is no warning that someone is a threat until they are a threat.


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I'm sure about that. There's no reason to be afraid of all Muslims.


That sounds very nice, but the unknown factor about Muslims should scare everyone. No one knows who the terrorists are until they show up shooting people or setting off bombs. Most of the time there is no warning that someone is a threat until they are a threat.


You know what scares me? Cafeteria Christians who hide behind their bible to make it fit their twisted belief system.

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Did Bernstein just say he thinks he's going to get made into someone's lampshade?
C'mon man.


That's pretty thin-skinned.

Won't make much of a lampshade then.

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Darkside wrote:
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Did Bernstein just say he thinks he's going to get made into someone's lampshade?
C'mon man.

I wasn't listening intently but I thought he was referencing tweets directed his way rather than him waiting around to be placed on top of a lamp from Tiffany's.

That said, he's really not off base when talking about minorities and fruits having concerns about where they stand currently and if that will get worse in the coming months and years. His presentation is a bit maudlin for my tastes, but the points themselves aren't completely out of left field.

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Yes, the will son. They will be coming to AIPAC for instruction on foreign policy and many individuals to "retire the debt" with no quid pro quo implied at all.

GTFO of here with that. The kid is almost a teenager at a supposedly elite school. Don't tell me he doesn't have a greater sophistication with the world.

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Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


JORR will and he'll go out of his way to convince you that Hillary feels the same way. He'll also tell you he's not a Trump supporter and then defend his ridiculous statements and policies.

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Wait...
Did Bernstein just say he thinks he's going to get made into someone's lampshade?
C'mon man.

I wasn't listening intently but I thought he was referencing tweets directed his way rather than him waiting around to be placed on top of a lamp from Tiffany's.

That said, he's really not off base when talking about minorities and fruits having concerns about where they stand currently and if that will get worse in the coming months and years. His presentation is a bit maudlin for my tastes, but the points themselves aren't completely out of left field.

:lol:

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leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


Didn't he graduate from Wharton? I don't know what that's worth, but it's pretty silly to call him uneducated. You can point out instances of all kinds of politicians including recent presidents stomping all over the Constitution. It rings a little hollow when the focus is on Trump who hasn't even taken office yet.

With regard to Abedin (and so many other matters of a political nature), you can shop the Internet for your information. The truth is, we don't know, but there are definitely some things that should be of more concern to Jews re: her and Hillary than there is with Trump. The idea that Trump is "coming for Jews" is absolutely baseless.


You think Donald Trump has a good understanding of the Constitution and American values based on his Wharton education? All you have to do is listen to him speak. You and many others seem to rely on some innate knowledge that this guy isn't really as crazy as he comes off. I operate under no such assumption. I take him at his word. Everything he says, tweets, implies, or embodies is ignorant, repugnant, and anti-intellectual. His words mattered before, and they matter even more now. Comparing an assistant to Hillary Clinton to the next president of the U.S. is nonsense. He has more power than any person in the world. It amazes me how his lack of integrity doesn't bother some. And if someone is going to come back and say it's just an act, I'd like to see some sort of proof. My guess is that that's being said more out of a hatred for Hillary Clinton than anything else.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


JORR will and he'll go out of his way to convince you that Hillary feels the same way. He'll also tell you he's not a Trump supporter and then defend his ridiculous statements and policies.


Which of his policies and statements have I defended? You seem to be defending Clinton taking Saudi money. You'd defend Hillary Clinton no matter what she did. That's the truth.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


JORR will and he'll go out of his way to convince you that Hillary feels the same way. He'll also tell you he's not a Trump supporter and then defend his ridiculous statements and policies.



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Did Bernstein just say he thinks he's going to get made into someone's lampshade?
C'mon man.


That's pretty thin-skinned.

Won't make much of a lampshade then.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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Wait...
Did Bernstein just say he thinks he's going to get made into someone's lampshade?
C'mon man.


That's pretty thin-skinned.

Won't make much of a lampshade then.


That was the joke. Congrats.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Darkside wrote:
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Did Bernstein just say he thinks he's going to get made into someone's lampshade?
C'mon man.


That's pretty thin-skinned.


It's going to cause a heated discussion from less enlightened individuals

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There you go. Bernsie makes up Jew hatred and you have you guys already calling Trump an uneducated Dolt and U Penn and Wharton worthless. :lol:

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Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


JORR will and he'll go out of his way to convince you that Hillary feels the same way. He'll also tell you he's not a Trump supporter and then defend his ridiculous statements and policies.



Which of his policies and statements have I defended? You seem to be defending Clinton taking Saudi money. You'd defend Hillary Clinton no matter what she did. That's the truth.


The better question is which policies are you against. It's been hard to figure out at times

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leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


Didn't he graduate from Wharton? I don't know what that's worth, but it's pretty silly to call him uneducated. You can point out instances of all kinds of politicians including recent presidents stomping all over the Constitution. It rings a little hollow when the focus is on Trump who hasn't even taken office yet.

With regard to Abedin (and so many other matters of a political nature), you can shop the Internet for your information. The truth is, we don't know, but there are definitely some things that should be of more concern to Jews re: her and Hillary than there is with Trump. The idea that Trump is "coming for Jews" is absolutely baseless.


You think Donald Trump has a good understanding of the Constitution and American values based on his Wharton education? All you have to do is listen to him speak. You and many others seem to rely on some innate knowledge that this guy isn't really as crazy as he comes off. I operate under no such assumption. I take him at his word. Everything he says, tweets, implies, or embodies is ignorant, repugnant, and anti-intellectual. His words mattered before, and they matter even more now. Comparing an assistant to Hillary Clinton to the next president of the U.S. is nonsense. He has more power than any person in the world. It amazes me how his lack of integrity doesn't bother some. And if someone is going to come back and say it's just an act, I'd like to see some sort of proof. My guess is that that's being said more out of a hatred for Hillary Clinton than anything else.


also all of the people he employed on this campaign seem to be similarly unhinged

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There you go. Bernsie makes up Jew hatred and you have you guys already calling Trump an uneducated Dolt and U Penn and Wharton worthless. :lol:


The two have nothing to do with one another. Trump is an ignorant dolt, and I do believe his degree is worthless. He's obviously still a moron.

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Did Bernstein just say he thinks he's going to get made into someone's lampshade?
C'mon man.


If he did that then the fresh steaming load of post I dropped upthread (you know, the one that everyone's deftly stepping around to continue their regularly-scheduled neverending debate that's inexorably going to end up in the same place that "is there a God?" ultimately takes you to; aka "the great schism" or "0 or 1" -- "Yahweh or NUH-UH?") --- AHEM.

Yeah, if he's saying stuff like what you posted here then my best intellectual guess is that he's taking his trump butthurt to a place that nobody would dare to challenge him on; most likely just so nobody can say he's.100.0% "wrong" about [anything trump/election related].

Honestly, I think that..... The world doesn't care about what I think. The grown ups are arguing and I'm jus trying to get their attention because I need another can of 7up over here at the kiddie table! =P

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
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Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


Didn't he graduate from Wharton? I don't know what that's worth, but it's pretty silly to call him uneducated. You can point out instances of all kinds of politicians including recent presidents stomping all over the Constitution. It rings a little hollow when the focus is on Trump who hasn't even taken office yet.

With regard to Abedin (and so many other matters of a political nature), you can shop the Internet for your information. The truth is, we don't know, but there are definitely some things that should be of more concern to Jews re: her and Hillary than there is with Trump. The idea that Trump is "coming for Jews" is absolutely baseless.


You think Donald Trump has a good understanding of the Constitution and American values based on his Wharton education? All you have to do is listen to him speak. You and many others seem to rely on some innate knowledge that this guy isn't really as crazy as he comes off. I operate under no such assumption. I take him at his word. Everything he says, tweets, implies, or embodies is ignorant, repugnant, and anti-intellectual. His words mattered before, and they matter even more now. Comparing an assistant to Hillary Clinton to the next president of the U.S. is nonsense. He has more power than any person in the world. It amazes me how his lack of integrity doesn't bother some. And if someone is going to come back and say it's just an act, I'd like to see some sort of proof. My guess is that that's being said more out of a hatred for Hillary Clinton than anything else.


I don't think Trump is going to be able to subvert the Constitution in such obvious ways as his crazy talk suggests. I think it's much more dangerous to have a president who is subtly pushing at the margins the way Bush II and Obama did.

You said in another thread that Trump's Chief of Staff was of vital importance. Abedin clearly would have been on a short list for a potential Clinton Chief of Staff. I think an examination of her possible ties to foreign terror would certainly have been appropriate.

And it's amazing that someone could talk about a lack of integrity in someone else as a defense of Hillary Clinton. If integrity is the test, I'm pretty certain Clinton doesn't take that one vs. Trump.

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Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


JORR will and he'll go out of his way to convince you that Hillary feels the same way. He'll also tell you he's not a Trump supporter and then defend his ridiculous statements and policies.



JORR is out of the 3 Wisemen Club.

Fun while it lasted though.


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Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


JORR will and he'll go out of his way to convince you that Hillary feels the same way. He'll also tell you he's not a Trump supporter and then defend his ridiculous statements and policies.



JORR is out of the 3 Wisemen Club.

Fun while it lasted though.


JORR is still my guy even though he's an undercover Trumpet.


Nope. I would never vote for Donald Trump. And if Illinois had been a battleground state I would have voted for fucking Clinton. As it turned out, they had already called Illinois for Clinton before I voted. But I do think the way Trump was covered was at times unfair. There were "journalists" in the Javits Center weeping last night.

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 Post subject: Re: Oh, C'mon Bernstein!
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


Didn't he graduate from Wharton? I don't know what that's worth, but it's pretty silly to call him uneducated. You can point out instances of all kinds of politicians including recent presidents stomping all over the Constitution. It rings a little hollow when the focus is on Trump who hasn't even taken office yet.

With regard to Abedin (and so many other matters of a political nature), you can shop the Internet for your information. The truth is, we don't know, but there are definitely some things that should be of more concern to Jews re: her and Hillary than there is with Trump. The idea that Trump is "coming for Jews" is absolutely baseless.


You think Donald Trump has a good understanding of the Constitution and American values based on his Wharton education? All you have to do is listen to him speak. You and many others seem to rely on some innate knowledge that this guy isn't really as crazy as he comes off. I operate under no such assumption. I take him at his word. Everything he says, tweets, implies, or embodies is ignorant, repugnant, and anti-intellectual. His words mattered before, and they matter even more now. Comparing an assistant to Hillary Clinton to the next president of the U.S. is nonsense. He has more power than any person in the world. It amazes me how his lack of integrity doesn't bother some. And if someone is going to come back and say it's just an act, I'd like to see some sort of proof. My guess is that that's being said more out of a hatred for Hillary Clinton than anything else.


I don't think Trump is going to be able to subvert the Constitution in such obvious ways as his crazy talk suggests. I think it's much more dangerous to have a president who is subtly pushing at the margins the way Bush II and Obama did.

You said in another thread that Trump's Chief of Staff was of vital importance. Abedin clearly would have been on a short list for a potential Clinton Chief of Staff. I think an examination of her possible ties to foreign terror would certainly have been appropriate.

And it's amazing that someone could talk about a lack of integrity in someone else as a defense of Hillary Clinton. If integrity is the test, I'm pretty certain Clinton doesn't take that one vs. Trump.


Trump will have a number of insiders on his team who would be more than knowledgeable enough to help him "subtly push the margins". It would simply be a matter of what Trump wanted to push at.

And your hypothetical absolutely would make it important to vet Huma, but Clinton's not going to be president... and I think a vetting of the president is more important than someone who would be a close adviser (though both are obviously important). The argument at the beginning of this thread is whether the unhinged soon-to-be president of the U.S. or a now unemployed former aid to a presidential candidate was a bigger possible threat to Jews. I don't really think it's an argument that it's the former.

Lastly, I didn't mention Hillary Clinton. I have voiced my displeasure for HRC since last year. I don't understand why the rebuttal is always about her. Though, I will agree with Nas... you're still my guy even though you're a Trump supporter. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Oh, C'mon Bernstein!
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