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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."

It really is 99.9% safe, honestly FF. Like I said tho, whichever way this goes I'm good with it. Whoever wins, we all lose.

Look at it like this. If these Natives would have been granted the 8 figure proposal they countered with, do you think they would be out here protesting?

Maybe, maybe not. I'm guessing they had their reasons for turning the offer down. But I'm never gonna side with people who are 1.) potentially poisoning an entire living area's water supply, 2.) getting hired goons to assault elderly women and children who are protesting.

And the hired goons part is why I'm indifferent to the outcome. If any section of the pipeline ruptured it would damage an entire localized ecosystem. Where are the national protests?

Also, let's keep in mind the MSM obviously has no idea how to report on this situation.

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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."


Do you think the Feds should nix it?

If there is ANY risk of contaminating the water source, yes. Seems pretty difficult to get a clear answer on that if as of right now though.

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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."


Do you think the Feds should nix it?

If there is ANY risk of contaminating the water source, yes. Seems pretty difficult to get a clear answer on that if as of right now though.


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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."


Do you think the Feds should nix it?

It would be cool if that happened, but big oil is so powerful in this country only big pharma rivals it.

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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."


Do you think the Feds should nix it?

If there is ANY risk of contaminating the water source, yes. Seems pretty difficult to get a clear answer on that if as of right now though.


I don't see what the problem is. If we have learned anything, it's that oil companies always put the public's safety ahead of profit.

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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."


Do you think the Feds should nix it?

If there is ANY risk of contaminating the water source, yes. Seems pretty difficult to get a clear answer on that if as of right now though.

Like I said, where are the national protests in every state this pipeline crosses? It just seems like some butt hurtness over a rejected payday.

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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."


Do you think the Feds should nix it?

If there is ANY risk of contaminating the water source, yes. Seems pretty difficult to get a clear answer on that if as of right now though.

Like I said, where are the national protests in every state this pipeline crosses? It just seems like some butt hurtness over a rejected payday.

This is probably a bad stereotype, but maybe natives give a shit about their health just slightly more than us regular Americans.

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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."


Do you think the Feds should nix it?

If there is ANY risk of contaminating the water source, yes. Seems pretty difficult to get a clear answer on that if as of right now though.

Like I said, where are the national protests in every state this pipeline crosses? It just seems like some butt hurtness over a rejected payday.

This is probably a bad stereotype, but maybe natives give a shit about their health just slightly more than us regular Americans.


Ehh... They are all over this state, and from what I've gathered they give a shit more about Meth and Herb over drinking water.

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(CNN) - On December 4, hundreds of veterans plan to "deploy" to Standing Rock Indian Reservation in North Dakota to join in protest against the planned Dakota Access Pipeline.

The event, Veterans Stand for Standing Rock, is a call for veterans to "assemble as a peaceful, unarmed militia" to "defend the water protectors from assault and intimidation at the hands of the militarized police force and DAPL security." The organizers hope to prevent progress on the construction of the pipeline as well as draw national attention to the cause.

If built, the $3.7 billion pipeline would carry 470,000 barrels of crude oil a day through North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa and Illinois. Proponents say the pipeline would significantly decrease US reliance on foreign oil. Opponents say it would destroy culturally significant Native American land and have environmental impacts, including potential water contamination and greenhouse gas emissions.

The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and its supporters have been protesting the project for months. The protests have been largely peaceful but turned violent on Sunday. Support has flooded in from all over the country on social media under the hashtag #NoDAPL.

In 10 days, the gofundme campaign for the veterans' event has raised $43,870 of the $100,000 goal. The money will go toward food, transportation and supplies for the veterans who attend. "It's time to display that honor, courage and commitment we claim to represent," the page reads. "It's time for real patriots. Now more than ever, it's time for anyone and everyone to lead."

Leading the troops

Wesley Clark Jr., a veteran, screenwriter and activist, created the event along with Michael Wood Jr., a retired Baltimore police officer and Marine Corps veteran who advocates for police reform.
"I'm going for religious reasons. I'm not a leader. I'm not in charge. We are self-organizing this," Clark said. They are hoping for a turnout of 500, but, "if we only have 20 or 30, that's what God provides us," he said.

Clark decided to take action after an elder from Standing Rock called him about the protests. "When she described what was going on, it brought tears to my eyes," he said. "People are concerned about the way the elders who are praying are being brutalized, and what we are doing to the planet."
Wood said, "If we don't stand up for the oppressed, that's the snowball that starts that leads to everyone else's oppression.

"It doesn't matter if you are a libertarian, a conservative, or a progressive, this is everyone's fight," he said.

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Ehh... They are all over this state, and from what I've gathered they give a shit more about Meth and Herb over drinking water.


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Pittmike, grab your rifle and let's go brother

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(CNN) - On December 4, hundreds of veterans plan to "deploy" to Standing Rock Indian Reservation in North Dakota to join in protest against the planned Dakota Access Pipeline.

The event, Veterans Stand for Standing Rock, is a call for veterans to "assemble as a peaceful, unarmed militia" to "defend the water protectors from assault and intimidation at the hands of the militarized police force and DAPL security." The organizers hope to prevent progress on the construction of the pipeline as well as draw national attention to the cause.

If built, the $3.7 billion pipeline would carry 470,000 barrels of crude oil a day through North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa and Illinois. Proponents say the pipeline would significantly decrease US reliance on foreign oil. Opponents say it would destroy culturally significant Native American land and have environmental impacts, including potential water contamination and greenhouse gas emissions.

The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and its supporters have been protesting the project for months. The protests have been largely peaceful but turned violent on Sunday. Support has flooded in from all over the country on social media under the hashtag #NoDAPL.

In 10 days, the gofundme campaign for the veterans' event has raised $43,870 of the $100,000 goal. The money will go toward food, transportation and supplies for the veterans who attend. "It's time to display that honor, courage and commitment we claim to represent," the page reads. "It's time for real patriots. Now more than ever, it's time for anyone and everyone to lead."

Leading the troops

Wesley Clark Jr., a veteran, screenwriter and activist, created the event along with Michael Wood Jr., a retired Baltimore police officer and Marine Corps veteran who advocates for police reform.
"I'm going for religious reasons. I'm not a leader. I'm not in charge. We are self-organizing this," Clark said. They are hoping for a turnout of 500, but, "if we only have 20 or 30, that's what God provides us," he said.

Clark decided to take action after an elder from Standing Rock called him about the protests. "When she described what was going on, it brought tears to my eyes," he said. "People are concerned about the way the elders who are praying are being brutalized, and what we are doing to the planet."
Wood said, "If we don't stand up for the oppressed, that's the snowball that starts that leads to everyone else's oppression.

"It doesn't matter if you are a libertarian, a conservative, or a progressive, this is everyone's fight," he said.


:lol: it has to be summer if you ever been to the Dakotas in winter.

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Aren't there already a bunch of oil/gas pipes running under the Missouri River? It doesn't necessarily make adding more OK, but the threat of contamination is already there.

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Ehh... They are all over this state, and from what I've gathered they give a shit more about Meth and Herb over drinking water.


Is Meth and Herb the midday show Herb Lawrence left to host in San Diego?


No, it's the title of FF's and my podcast.

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(CNN) - On December 4, hundreds of veterans plan to "deploy" to Standing Rock Indian Reservation in North Dakota to join in protest against the planned Dakota Access Pipeline.

The event, Veterans Stand for Standing Rock, is a call for veterans to "assemble as a peaceful, unarmed militia" to "defend the water protectors from assault and intimidation at the hands of the militarized police force and DAPL security." The organizers hope to prevent progress on the construction of the pipeline as well as draw national attention to the cause.

If built, the $3.7 billion pipeline would carry 470,000 barrels of crude oil a day through North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa and Illinois. Proponents say the pipeline would significantly decrease US reliance on foreign oil. Opponents say it would destroy culturally significant Native American land and have environmental impacts, including potential water contamination and greenhouse gas emissions.

The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and its supporters have been protesting the project for months. The protests have been largely peaceful but turned violent on Sunday. Support has flooded in from all over the country on social media under the hashtag #NoDAPL.

In 10 days, the gofundme campaign for the veterans' event has raised $43,870 of the $100,000 goal. The money will go toward food, transportation and supplies for the veterans who attend. "It's time to display that honor, courage and commitment we claim to represent," the page reads. "It's time for real patriots. Now more than ever, it's time for anyone and everyone to lead."

Leading the troops

Wesley Clark Jr., a veteran, screenwriter and activist, created the event along with Michael Wood Jr., a retired Baltimore police officer and Marine Corps veteran who advocates for police reform.
"I'm going for religious reasons. I'm not a leader. I'm not in charge. We are self-organizing this," Clark said. They are hoping for a turnout of 500, but, "if we only have 20 or 30, that's what God provides us," he said.

Clark decided to take action after an elder from Standing Rock called him about the protests. "When she described what was going on, it brought tears to my eyes," he said. "People are concerned about the way the elders who are praying are being brutalized, and what we are doing to the planet."
Wood said, "If we don't stand up for the oppressed, that's the snowball that starts that leads to everyone else's oppression.

"It doesn't matter if you are a libertarian, a conservative, or a progressive, this is everyone's fight," he said.


:lol: it has to be summer if you ever been to the Dakotas in winter.

Yeah, you don't want to come up here now, or for the next 4 months.

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Aren't there already a bunch of oil/gas pipes running under the Missouri River? It doesn't necessarily make adding more OK, but the threat of contamination is already there.

That's why it seems like a missed pay day demonstration. I feel bad for all these "progressive" Americans jumping on this bandwagon.

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I was in Williston working in the summer of 2012. Don't really wanna go there in the summer either. Fucking unreal money to be made though.

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I was in Williston working in the summer of 2012. Don't really wanna go there in the summer either. Fucking unreal money to be made though.

2012 was peak boom. You should have stayed. Boom is about to be back tho in the 1st quarter (mini boom).

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I was in Williston working in the summer of 2012. Don't really wanna go there in the summer either. Fucking unreal money to be made though.

2012 was peak boom. You should have stayed. Boom is about to be back tho in the 1st quarter (mini boom).

Nah man fuck that place. Less women than in the army and can't even go to a bar for a drink without getting into a fight.

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I was in Williston working in the summer of 2012. Don't really wanna go there in the summer either. Fucking unreal money to be made though.

2012 was peak boom. You should have stayed. Boom is about to be back tho in the 1st quarter (mini boom).

Nah man fuck that place. Less women than in the army and can't even go to a bar for a drink without getting into a fight.

Yeah the 10 men to 1 woman ratio is still present, but the bar fight thing has died down a little bit since they shut down the titty bars.

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In the summer of 2012 I was making $1,500-$2000 a week and still had to sleep in a tent behind Williston Home & Lumber because there was absolutely no lodging anywhere for 15 miles. That improve?

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Washington Times: Complaints Grow Over Whites Turning Dakota Pipeline Protest into Hippie Festival

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -festival/

Fake news? Warren Buffet owns the railroads that would lose money every time a pipeline becomes operational.


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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."

It really is 99.9% safe, honestly FF. Like I said tho, whichever way this goes I'm good with it. Whoever wins, we all lose.

Look at it like this. If these Natives would have been granted the 8 figure proposal they countered with, do you think they would be out here protesting?

Maybe, maybe not. I'm guessing they had their reasons for turning the offer down. But I'm never gonna side with people who are 1.) potentially poisoning an entire living area's water supply, 2.) getting hired goons to assault elderly women and children who are protesting.

All of our water supply has the potential for contamination. It's one of the things you deal with when you have services.

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I was in Williston working in the summer of 2012. Don't really wanna go there in the summer either. Fucking unreal money to be made though.



Dude, how come you never mentioned that before? Don't you have some great stories for us? That's like a throwback to early American boom times. I know there really aren't many women out there. Haven't brothels popped up like crazy to fill the demand?

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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."

It really is 99.9% safe, honestly FF. Like I said tho, whichever way this goes I'm good with it. Whoever wins, we all lose.

Look at it like this. If these Natives would have been granted the 8 figure proposal they countered with, do you think they would be out here protesting?

Maybe, maybe not. I'm guessing they had their reasons for turning the offer down. But I'm never gonna side with people who are 1.) potentially poisoning an entire living area's water supply, 2.) getting hired goons to assault elderly women and children who are protesting.

All of our water supply has the potential for contamination. It's one of the things you deal with when you have services.

That doesn't in any way disqualify the Native Americans from having reservations about their water supply though.

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That doesn't in any way disqualify the Native Americans from having reservations about their water supply though.
FF said he is never going to side with people who are "potentially poisoning an entire living area's water supply". Pretty much every major water supply in the entire world has the potential for contamination.

There is a big difference between concern and wanting to make sure it is as safe as possible and acting like we can't ever have even a minimal risk of contamination in anything we do.

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That doesn't in any way disqualify the Native Americans from having reservations about their water supply though.
FF said he is never going to side with people who are "potentially poisoning an entire living area's water supply". Pretty much every major water supply in the entire world has the potential for contamination.

There is a big difference between concern and wanting to make sure it is as safe as possible and acting like we can't ever have even a minimal risk of contamination in anything we do.

Let me make the point of my comment slightly more clear ...

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We want high paying jobs in the U.S.
We want lower prices at the pump.
We should stop sending money to the Middle East which ends up in terrorists hands.

Let's keep Federal lands off limits to domestic oil production.
Let's block pipelines that transports North American oil and gas quicker and more efficiently across the U.S. and Canada.

There are trade offs to domestic economic growth.

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We want high paying jobs in the U.S.
We want lower prices at the pump.
We should stop sending money to the Middle East which ends up in terrorists hands.

Let's keep Federal lands off limits to domestic oil production.
Let's block pipelines that transports North American oil and gas quicker and more efficiently across the U.S. and Canada.

There are trade offs to domestic economic growth.


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sounds like some kind of shake down to me.

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