Turner is not a prospect. He was a rookie this year. Giolito is their best prospect. Robles is their #2. And when Turner was a prospect, he was #2 behind Giolito.

So, Sox would be getting their best prospect.

The analysts? I agree.

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Hahn is a fool.

Giolito and Robles and a low level minor leaguer?

What a joke.

Go fleece Houston - gotta get at least 3 top level prospects and another piece or two.

I don't want any part of this type of trade.

I might be with Jorr on this. Acquire guys and make a run. You have a nice 3 man front with Sale, Q, and Rodon.

Whatever. I'm not interested in a semantic discussion of the word "prospect". Turner is a guy with 350 big league at-bats. He hasn't even played a full season.

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Now it looks like they're gonna make a trade just to make it. You're getting a pitcher who at his best will never be close to as good as Sale and a teenage outfielder. Unless Robles turns out to be Mike Trout four years from now this is a disaster.

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You are right. I am not interested in doing this, and I am not sure what is going through their heads. They are going to drive more Sox fans away with doing this. If they got a haul for Sale, I would be on board. And like I said before, there is not an untouchable when trying to acquire Sale, maybe Q but not Sale.

I would have no problem with Giolito and Robles for Q.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Levine just said this Washington thing is not some done deal.

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Shit.

That means it's all but announced.

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Here are two separate Top 100 Prospect lists:

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/m ... 0v5rqfc.97

Both list Giolito and Robles in the top-15 in baseball, one has Giolito ahead of Turner, and the other has Giolito and Robles in the top-10.

What's more, both lists have Reynaldo Lopez in the top-50, and if he is included in this deal (I can't see why he wouldn't be), that would mean the Sox have 3 of the 50 "best" prospects in baseball, and 3 of the Nationals' best 5. It could be 4 of their best 5 if they include Erick Fedde, which would result in the Sox having 4 of baseball's best prospects in return for Sale.

But no, it's a bad deal because it doesn't include Trea Turner.

Tell me the difference between a prospect and a player that has played in the MLB.

A condition of the trade should be the nats must continue to develop the prospects in their system as if they were their own, then when the nats deem them major league ready the Sox can call them up

I get it, you really want Trea Turner in a deal for Sale, so do I, so does everyone. The thing is, if for whatever reason the Nationals are hell-bent on not moving him, they still have the pieces to make giving up Sale a worthwhile gamble for the Sox (acquiring prospects for proven MLB-dominant talent is always a gamble).

There was an ESPN report that the deal was basically Giolito, Robles and a couple low level prospects. Explicitly said that there was no Lopez and I can surmise that there was no Turner either. So yea, whatever deal that supposedly came close to happening last night was a pretty shitty deal for us.

But nothing happened. So I can safely step back off the ledge and hope that Hahn came to the realization that they were getting hosed.

Keep in mind the Sox also have a history of getting deals done with word not leaking out until it happened. IIRC, nobody knew about the deals for Melky, Dunn, Robertson, Griffey, or Shark until they were made public. I know it was a different day and age, but the same can be said of the Vazquez and Thome trades as well.

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That could also be local media just sucking way out loud, no? This is the town of Scoop Johnson, after all, and Cowley doesn't cover the Sox anymore.

Yeah, but every team they are talking to has these untouchables. That is a problem. Hang the fucking phone up as soon as they say untou.......CLICK!

That would be really hard with everyone so focused on Sale as the big mover of this off season

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A DC beat guy. Tell the Nats to fuck off. Their leaked offers have been insulting.

Yes.

You don't HAVE to trade Sale. No reason to do so unless you are raping someone's system and getting MLB ready talent as well.

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I think this is going to be the problem. Other teams will lower what they want for lesser talents, driving the market down for what you get for Sale. On the other hand, watch the Sox get a shitty haul for Sale, and the next best pitcher gets the same haul or better. This is an A++ talent, and I don't see a comparable talent out there to him in FA or the trade market.

I would take a picture of my middle finger and text it to the Nats.

I don't know what the fuck is so funny about that. If you're suggesting that Jose Quintana is somehow the equal of Chris Sale, you're barking up the wrong tree. Giolito has a good chance of being better than Quintana. He certainly has the tools to be. Chris Sale is the best pitcher in over 100 years of White Sox history. Please don't compare him to some ordinary guy with a career .500 record.

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heard a Score report that the trade talks between Sox & Nats had "cooled". Good for the Sox.

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Hanley this morning almost laughed at the haul the Nats were offering.

The comments section to that article is precious. Sale is a "proven MLB pitcher with an elite upside". He's been one of the best five pitchers in baseball over the last five seasons.

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A deal for Sale doesn't have to include Trea Turner. The point is that Chris Sale, when all things are considered, is probably the best pitcher ever to go on the trading block in the history of the game. And that isn't some crazy exaggeration. I don't see how you could have a good faith negotiation for such a player when the other team takes some guy with 350 big league at-bats off the table to begin with. The Sox are the ones with the commodity here. The guys they will be getting in return are hopes and wishes.

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